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Colo Reccomendation in Northern NJ or Manhattan Area?

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Colo Reccomendation in Northern NJ or Manhattan Area?
posted by William Sandler on July 29, 2015, 4:55 p.m. (1 day ago)
Any favorites?

Or if anyone has a convincing argument to go with managed cloud storage instead to backup ~150TB.

What are you guys using for off-site backups of your storage appliances?



William Sandler
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Any favorites?

Or if anyone has a convincing argument to go with managed cloud storage instead to backup ~150TB.

What are you guys using for off-site backups of your storage appliances?



William Sandler

Colo Reccomendation in Northern NJ or Manhattan Area?

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Colo Reccomendation in Northern NJ or Manhattan Area?
posted by Saker Klippsten on July 29, 2015, 6:10 p.m. (1 day ago)
This is just a brain dump..

I have be researching COLO's for a bit for our NY Office. You might want to reach out toMatt Easton @ Internap, measton@internap.com
They have one of their COLO in Secauscus NJ. Hop Skip and Jump from the City.Besides just rack space.. they offer many other Services. Cloud Compute, backup etc..
I have not pulled the trigger yet with them but compared to anything on the Island its much less expensive.


Currently we use a mixture of Isilon NL108 and 400 Nodes for up to the min DR and Snapshots and upon project completion we do final project archive using Spectra Logic 380 Libraries and LTO-6 Media.
DR for Vancouver is in LA and Vice-Versa. Now that we have NY looking into adding another potential replica site or even moving LA to NY ( Thanks to the New Yorker Article ) hahah


As far as a cloud argument?
I was just reading up on googles new storage-nearline offering with 3ms retrieval time and 1cent per GB.

1cent per GB per month so that's about $1500 a month for 150TB. I am sure there are taxes.. as well.

vs. Colo with Tape.

All #'s off the top of my head very rough..

Tape: Cost would be about once time cost of $3000 ( 60 tapes with 2.5TB per tape @ $50each ) one set or copy of the data
Library: Cost at say 50k for a 60 tape loader with 1 drive.
Software: Cost 3500? if using Bakbone
Colo Cost: Half Rack just for Robot , Server and switch? ~1500/month? with Connectivity and Power? Taxes etc..
Offiste tape storage cost for second set of tapes? I am not putting this into the equation..

~74K with a potential 56k up front cost.

*It would take you about 49 Months ( ~4 years ) to see that $ back vs the cost of Google Cloud Archive and just another $1500 to pull down that 150TB when needed

*How long do you need to hold on to that data? Indefinitely? Or will that 150TB be updated periodically and purged out..will that 150TB grow ? if so how much?

* If you were to add another 150TB over the course of a year. thats another 21k ( cost of tape plus monthly colo. vs google cloud depending upon how fast you uploaded 150tb you could spend as much as 18ki if you uploaded in January or as little as $1500 if you uploaded 150TB in December..

* Its really all about understanding how long your data needs to live. This will really dictate the cost benefit of rolling your own on prem or colo vs cloud.

* There is also the convenience factor and simplicity of the cloud I did not take into account. Not having to drive or deal with a colo to change tapes or just dealing with tapes.


Decisions.... you always get screwed somehow right?



-S





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Any favorites?

Or if anyone has a convincing argument to go with managed cloud storage instead to backup ~150TB.

What are you guys using for off-site backups of your storage appliances?



William Sandler

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This is just a brain dump..

I have be researching COLO's for a bit for our NY Office. You might want to reach out toMatt Easton @ Internap, measton@internap.com
They have one of their COLO in Secauscus NJ. Hop Skip and Jump from the City.Besides just rack space.. they offer many other Services. Cloud Compute, backup etc..
I have not pulled the trigger yet with them but compared to anything on the Island its much less expensive.


Currently we use a mixture of Isilon NL108 and 400 Nodes for up to the min DR and Snapshots and upon project completion we do final project archive using Spectra Logic 380 Libraries and LTO-6 Media.
DR for Vancouver is in LA and Vice-Versa. Now that we have NY looking into adding another potential replica site or even moving LA to NY ( Thanks to the New Yorker Article ) hahah


As far as a cloud argument?
I was just reading up on googles new storage-nearline offering with 3ms retrieval time and 1cent per GB.

1cent per GB per month so that's about $1500 a month for 150TB. I am sure there are taxes.. as well.

vs. Colo with Tape.

All #'s off the top of my head very rough..

Tape: Cost would be about once time cost of $3000 ( 60 tapes with 2.5TB per tape @ $50each ) one set or copy of the data
Library: Cost at say 50k for a 60 tape loader with 1 drive.
Software: Cost 3500? if using Bakbone
Colo Cost: Half Rack just for Robot , Server and switch? ~1500/month? with Connectivity and Power? Taxes etc..
Offiste tape storage cost for second set of tapes? I am not putting this into the equation..

~74K with a potential 56k up front cost.

*It would take you about 49 Months ( ~4 years ) to see that $ back vs the cost of Google Cloud Archive and just another $1500 to pull down that 150TB when needed

*How long do you need to hold on to that data? Indefinitely? Or will that 150TB be updated periodically and purged out..will that 150TB grow ? if so how much?

* If you were to add another 150TB over the course of a year. thats another 21k ( cost of tape plus monthly colo. vs google cloud depending upon how fast you uploaded 150tb you could spend as much as 18ki if you uploaded in January or as little as $1500 if you uploaded 150TB in December..

* Its really all about understanding how long your data needs to live. This will really dictate the cost benefit of rolling your own on prem or colo vs cloud.

* There is also the convenience factor and simplicity of the cloud I did not take into account. Not having to drive or deal with a colo to change tapes or just dealing with tapes.


Decisions.... you always get screwed somehow right?



-S





On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 1:52 PM, William Sandler <william.sandler@allthingsmedia.com> wrote:
Any favorites?

Or if anyone has a convincing argument to go with managed cloud storage instead to backup ~150TB.

What are you guys using for off-site backups of your storage appliances?



William Sandler

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international list of vfx companies

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international list of vfx companies
posted by Jim Tucker on July 31, 2015, 10:50 a.m. (2 days ago)
Someone posted a link to a directory of all vfx companies in the world.

Seem to have lost that link.

Anyone have it to repost?

JT
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Someone posted a link to a directory of all vfx companies in the world.

Seem to have lost that link.

Anyone have it to repost?

JT

Anyone going? Vancouver -

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Anyone going? Vancouver -
posted by Derrick MacPherson on July 31, 2015, 4:30 p.m. (2 days ago)
I've not been to the new Mahony's - I'll be there if anyone is wanting to have a catch up session!

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Write something brief and catchy, compelling them to open the email.

Software Defined Storage

for Media & Entertainment

August 18th

11:30 - 2:00pm

Mahony & Sons
601 Stamps Landing
Vancouver, BC

You're invited to join us for our next lunch and learn event.

Enjoy great food and drinks while learning about the benefits of Software Defined Storage for Media & Entertainment from industry specialists at Scality and HP.

Click on the link below to register or RSVP.


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I've not been to the new Mahony's - I'll be there if anyone is wanting to have a catch up session!

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Write something brief and catchy, compelling them to open the email.

Software Defined Storage

for Media & Entertainment

August 18th

11:30 - 2:00pm

Mahony & Sons
601 Stamps Landing
Vancouver, BC

You're invited to join us for our next lunch and learn event.

Enjoy great food and drinks while learning about the benefits of Software Defined Storage for Media & Entertainment from industry specialists at Scality and HP.

Click on the link below to register or RSVP.


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Register Now!


Running network cable i LA

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Running network cable i LA
posted by Jean-Sebastien Jasenovic on July 31, 2015, 5:08 p.m. (2 days ago)

Our Los Angeles office is in need of a few network cables being run from our machine room to one of our artists bays. Can someone here recomend a person or company for running 5-6 cables over about 100 feet in our Venice offcies?

 

Thanks,

 

Office:   310-574-3766
Cell:      514-290-7691
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Our Los Angeles office is in need of a few network cables being run from our machine room to one of our artists bays. Can someone here recomend a person or company for running 5-6 cables over about 100 feet in our Venice offcies?

 

Thanks,

 

Office:   310-574-3766
Cell:      514-290-7691
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FFMPEG lead developer resigns

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FFMPEG lead developer resigns
posted by  on Aug. 1, 2015, 11:30 a.m. (1 day ago)

http://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2015-July/176489.html

Michael Niedermayer just stepped down, which may mean the end of this tool. I'm not sure if you all followed the libav coup a few years back, but that community split was his motivation for leaving.

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http://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2015-July/176489.html

Michael Niedermayer just stepped down, which may mean the end of this tool. I'm not sure if you all followed the libav coup a few years back, but that community split was his motivation for leaving.

**** London people **** SSA London Summer Social - TUES 4 AUG

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**** London people **** SSA London Summer Social - TUES 4 AUG
posted by Peter Smith on Aug. 3, 2015, 3:30 a.m.
Hola! Just a reminder that this is on TOMORROW, and the weather's looking good for the BBQ. :-) There are still a few spots left, so bring your juniors (or seniors) and your storage and networking nerds. Sign up: https://ssa-london-summer-social-2015.eventbrite.co.uk/ See you there. -- Pete Smith Engineer Smoke & Mirrors d: +44 (0)20 3206 6511 m: +44 (0)7738 067455 e: petersmith@smoke-mirrors.com t: +44 (0)20 7468 1000 www.smoke-mirrors.com 1-5 Poland St London W1F 8PR ________________________________________ From: Peter Smith Sent: 23 July 2015 16:55 To: studiosysadmins-discuss@studiosysadmins.com Subject: SSA London Summer Social - TUES 4 AUG :: SSA London Summer Social :: Mellanox Technologies, Pixit Media and Sohonet would like to invite us to join them for a social event on Tuesday 4th August, on the rooftop at Sohonet. Food and beverages will follow a couple of brief technical presentations. :: Pixit Media - The Scale Out Storage, Archive and Network Solution for Media :: - Jez Tucker - Head of Research and Development Jez will provide us with technical insight into dedicated 4K playback integrated with scale-out NAS performance, file metadata indexing and search and VFX data workflows via PixStor automation and the PixStor Python API. :: Mellanox Technologies - Next Generation media Workflows :: - Richard Hastie - Director, EMEA Enterprise Business Development 4K is putting more demand on your existing infrastructure! Learn how Mellanox Technologies enables studios to scale up to 4K ultra HD workflows in a cost effective way. Places are limited so sign up here: https://ssa-london-summer-social-2015.eventbrite.co.uk/ See you there! No excuses! :-) -- Pete Smith Engineer Smoke & Mirrors d: +44 (0)20 3206 6511 m: +44 (0)7738 067455 e: petersmith@smoke-mirrors.com t: +44 (0)20 7468 1000 www.smoke-mirrors.com 1-5 Poland St London W1F 8PR GOGREEN Climate Protection with DHL: please consider your environmental responsibility before printing this email. This email is intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This communication may contain information that is proprietary, privileged or confidential. If you are not the named addressee, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this message or any part of it. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by email and delete all copies of the message. To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe
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Hola! Just a reminder that this is on TOMORROW, and the weather's looking good for the BBQ. :-) There are still a few spots left, so bring your juniors (or seniors) and your storage and networking nerds. Sign up: https://ssa-london-summer-social-2015.eventbrite.co.uk/ See you there. -- Pete Smith Engineer Smoke & Mirrors d: +44 (0)20 3206 6511 m: +44 (0)7738 067455 e: petersmith@smoke-mirrors.com t: +44 (0)20 7468 1000 www.smoke-mirrors.com 1-5 Poland St London W1F 8PR ________________________________________ From: Peter Smith Sent: 23 July 2015 16:55 To: studiosysadmins-discuss@studiosysadmins.com Subject: SSA London Summer Social - TUES 4 AUG :: SSA London Summer Social :: Mellanox Technologies, Pixit Media and Sohonet would like to invite us to join them for a social event on Tuesday 4th August, on the rooftop at Sohonet. Food and beverages will follow a couple of brief technical presentations. :: Pixit Media - The Scale Out Storage, Archive and Network Solution for Media :: - Jez Tucker - Head of Research and Development Jez will provide us with technical insight into dedicated 4K playback integrated with scale-out NAS performance, file metadata indexing and search and VFX data workflows via PixStor automation and the PixStor Python API. :: Mellanox Technologies - Next Generation media Workflows :: - Richard Hastie - Director, EMEA Enterprise Business Development 4K is putting more demand on your existing infrastructure! Learn how Mellanox Technologies enables studios to scale up to 4K ultra HD workflows in a cost effective way. Places are limited so sign up here: https://ssa-london-summer-social-2015.eventbrite.co.uk/ See you there! No excuses! :-) -- Pete Smith Engineer Smoke & Mirrors d: +44 (0)20 3206 6511 m: +44 (0)7738 067455 e: petersmith@smoke-mirrors.com t: +44 (0)20 7468 1000 www.smoke-mirrors.com 1-5 Poland St London W1F 8PR GOGREEN Climate Protection with DHL: please consider your environmental responsibility before printing this email. This email is intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This communication may contain information that is proprietary, privileged or confidential. If you are not the named addressee, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this message or any part of it. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by email and delete all copies of the message. To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe

Help! Z800 in NYC?

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Help! Z800 in NYC?
posted by Rob LaRose on Aug. 3, 2015, 10:10 a.m. (1 day ago)

Good morning, friends!

My Z800 Flame failed its power supply this morning.  Im hoping I can rent/borrow a PSU from someone in NYC this morning for the day til the cavalry arrives.

Anybody in NYC have an idle Z800?

Rob

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Good morning, friends!

My Z800 Flame failed its power supply this morning.  Im hoping I can rent/borrow a PSU from someone in NYC this morning for the day til the cavalry arrives.

Anybody in NYC have an idle Z800?

Rob

rob larose
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Monday Funday

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Monday Funday
posted by Rob LaRose on Aug. 3, 2015, 2:15 p.m. (1 day ago)

Courtesy of the Mac Enterprise Deployment list, now you know how many you need:




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Courtesy of the Mac Enterprise Deployment list, now you know how many you need:




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Passive Stereo 3D monitor for Artists. Make?

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Passive Stereo 3D monitor for Artists. Make?
posted by Harvey West on Aug. 4, 2015, 8:05 a.m. (1 day ago)
I'm looking for 24inch or/and 27inch Passive Stereo 3D monitor. 

Colour not a problem. Just needs to be Passive for eye strain requirements. and don't cost zillions.

Any ideas?

Harvey

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I'm looking for 24inch or/and 27inch Passive Stereo 3D monitor. 

Colour not a problem. Just needs to be Passive for eye strain requirements. and don't cost zillions.

Any ideas?

Harvey

25GE or 40GE on MacPro Cans

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25GE or 40GE on MacPro Cans
posted by Laurence Schuler on Aug. 4, 2015, 12:35 p.m. (1 day ago)
Is anyone using a higher speed network interface on the Mac cans. That is, greater than a 10GE? How about a HotLava 10GE card inside the Sonnet Echo PCIe extender box, it's not listed in the compatibility chart, but perhaps someone is using it anyway? Or maybe a 40GE card in the Sonnet box? We're looking to improve our desktop network speed and are debating the various options. Seems like 10GE might be the best choice at this time, with 40GE an option, but 25 not an option until next year. I understand 25 would be a better choice as it matches up with PCIe speeds well, but its not a fully fixed standard yet. TIA, -- Laurence Schuler (Larry) Laurence.Schuler@nasa.gov Systems Support ADNET Systems, Inc Scientific Visualization Studio http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center, Code 606.4 phone: 1-301-286-3557 Greenbelt, MD 20771 fax: 1-301-286-1634 To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe
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Is anyone using a higher speed network interface on the Mac cans. That is, greater than a 10GE? How about a HotLava 10GE card inside the Sonnet Echo PCIe extender box, it's not listed in the compatibility chart, but perhaps someone is using it anyway? Or maybe a 40GE card in the Sonnet box? We're looking to improve our desktop network speed and are debating the various options. Seems like 10GE might be the best choice at this time, with 40GE an option, but 25 not an option until next year. I understand 25 would be a better choice as it matches up with PCIe speeds well, but its not a fully fixed standard yet. TIA, -- Laurence Schuler (Larry) Laurence.Schuler@nasa.gov Systems Support ADNET Systems, Inc Scientific Visualization Studio http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center, Code 606.4 phone: 1-301-286-3557 Greenbelt, MD 20771 fax: 1-301-286-1634 To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe

Quality TV recomendations for edit bays

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Quality TV recomendations for edit bays
posted by Chris Slagel on Aug. 4, 2015, 4:09 p.m. (1 day ago)

What TV brands and models would people currently recommend for edit bays?  We’ve been having some sync issues with Samsung LED's lately, although may just be the models we were choosing.  Don’t need 4K, and response time/overall quality are our main concerns, as well as a slim form factor.  Currently looking for both 55” and 60” models.  Thanks!

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What TV brands and models would people currently recommend for edit bays?  We’ve been having some sync issues with Samsung LED's lately, although may just be the models we were choosing.  Don’t need 4K, and response time/overall quality are our main concerns, as well as a slim form factor.  Currently looking for both 55” and 60” models.  Thanks!

Dell Sonicwall Site to Site VPN Google Compute

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Dell Sonicwall Site to Site VPN Google Compute
posted by Lap Van Luu on Aug. 4, 2015, 8:45 p.m. (1 day ago)
Checking the list to see if anyone has any experience with getting a VPN connection going between a local Sonicwall and Google Compute VPN.

Giving it a go here and running into some errors and hoping someone knows the correct settings to get it going.

-Lap Van Luu
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Checking the list to see if anyone has any experience with getting a VPN connection going between a local Sonicwall and Google Compute VPN.

Giving it a go here and running into some errors and hoping someone knows the correct settings to get it going.

-Lap Van Luu

FW: Colo Reccomendation in Northern NJ or Manhattan Area?

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FW: Colo Reccomendation in Northern NJ or Manhattan Area?
posted by Brittany Coulson on Aug. 5, 2015, 4:35 p.m. (1 day ago)
For Google Cloud Storage:
gsutil rsyncis the default answer here. The more youcan break up the data across multiple machines, the more you'llbe able to saturate yourconnection and move the data faster.

Let me know if you have further questions, I'll be at Siggraph next week and happy to talk.

Thanks,
Brittany


On Wednesday, August 5, 2015, Saker Klippsten <sakerk@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm a big fan of compartmentalization. We have specific machines (VMs) working as transfer machines. These machines run our custom code and scripts for moving data around facilities. They mount our various Storage Silos via NFS. From there we run our code to do various tasks. They run cron jobs etc . Or receive jobs to do things like backup to tape etc..or move data to an aspera server... So if we use google to potentially archive long term they would be used in this manner.

It's safer than running code on the file serves.

Also from a security aspect it's safer to put ACLs in place and have an in between machine than running or exposing the server..



On Aug 5, 2015, at 12:37 PM, William Sandler <william.sandler@allthingsmedia.com> wrote:

Yes it's a Solaris 11 box.

I also thought about having a Linux Box in the middle but would like to avoid an extra point of failure if possible. I suppose I could even export the pool and do a ZOL but that isn't too feasible.


William Sandler

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Saker Klippsten <sakerk@gmail.com> wrote:
Is this because your filer is Solaris? How fast is your net connection to google?
Why not just have a Linux Box in the middle, NFS mount your filer or storage server and act as your transfer box to google.



-S



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I wonder if I could get gsutil to work on Solaris since it's Python based. Their site seems to intimate that it's Linux only.


William Sandler

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Saker Klippsten <sakerk@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry hit return and it sent!
ack!


https://cloud.google.com/storage/transfer/index


This talks about going form Glacier to GN but references some gutil commands to


cloud$gsutil-mrsync-r-cbatch-log.txt\ /data/test-vaultgs://nearline-migration/test-vault The -moption instructs gsutil to use multiple threads to copy, which will significantly increase performance if there are many files to copy. The -roption tells gsutil to recurse into any subdirectories below /data/test-vault. The -coption tells gsutil to continue to copy even if there is an error copying one of the files. Note that we did not specify the -d option, which means no objects will be deleted from the destination bucket.


Also quick google search. Looks interesting I think there are linux versions as well



seems to have commandline support.




On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:42 AM, William Sandler <william.sandler@allthingsmedia.com> wrote:
Had a few talks with Google sales guys. It seems the only way to get the data into Nearline is to setup a web server and have them download it.

Does anybody know if there is another way that the Sales guys don't know about? Something like Rsync or FTP? I'd rather not have to install Apache on our backup server and turn it into an external facing web server.




William Sandler

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:09 PM, William Sandler <william.sandler@allthingsmedia.com> wrote:
I hope to never deal with tape in my career. I've somehow avoided it thus far.

Wow I really like those Google specs. I had incorrectly assumed it was like Glacier and was slow and meant for archive, not backup. I wonder what the retrieval bandwidth is. From a brief look, it seems like 4MB/s but you can pay for faster speeds. Assuming true disaster, with the Colo at least I can always physically pick up the server and bring it locally to recover data at gigabit speeds or higher. (Our WAN is no where near that).

Just to compare costs: I had spec'd out a self-built ZFS server (RAID-Z2) at around $25k and $1,500 a month at the Colo. Additional costs over time would just be adding more back-end.

Nobody ever wants to delete anything these days as they don't want to be the one responsible for ordering a deletion and then a client from 8 years ago comes back asking us to make some edits to ancient project.

Thanks for the info. Just once I wish google wasn't the answer. Eggs, basket.




William Sandler

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 6:08 PM, Saker Klippsten <sakerk@gmail.com> wrote:
This is just a brain dump..

I have be researching COLO's for a bit for our NY Office. You might want to reach out toMatt Easton @ Internap, measton@internap.com
They have one of their COLO in Secauscus NJ. Hop Skip and Jump from the City.Besides just rack space.. they offer many other Services. Cloud Compute, backup etc..
I have not pulled the trigger yet with them but compared to anything on the Island its much less expensive.


Currently we use a mixture of Isilon NL108 and 400 Nodes for up to the min DR and Snapshots and upon project completion we do final project archive using Spectra Logic 380 Libraries and LTO-6 Media.
DR for Vancouver is in LA and Vice-Versa. Now that we have NY looking into adding another potential replica site or even moving LA to NY ( Thanks to the New Yorker Article ) hahah


As far as a cloud argument?
I was just reading up on googles new storage-nearline offering with 3ms retrieval time and 1cent per GB.

1cent per GB per month so that's about $1500 a month for 150TB. I am sure there are taxes.. as well.

vs. Colo with Tape.

All #'s off the top of my head very rough..

Tape: Cost would be about once time cost of $3000 ( 60 tapes with 2.5TB per tape @ $50each ) one set or copy of the data
Library: Cost at say 50k for a 60 tape loader with 1 drive.
Software: Cost 3500? if using Bakbone
Colo Cost: Half Rack just for Robot , Server and switch? ~1500/month? with Connectivity and Power? Taxes etc..
Offiste tape storage cost for second set of tapes? I am not putting this into the equation..

~74K with a potential 56k up front cost.

*It would take you about 49 Months ( ~4 years ) to see that $ back vs the cost of Google Cloud Archive and just another $1500 to pull down that 150TB when needed

*How long do you need to hold on to that data? Indefinitely? Or will that 150TB be updated periodically and purged out..will that 150TB grow ? if so how much?

* If you were to add another 150TB over the course of a year. thats another 21k ( cost of tape plus monthly colo. vs google cloud depending upon how fast you uploaded 150tb you could spend as much as 18ki if you uploaded in January or as little as $1500 if you uploaded 150TB in December..

* Its really all about understanding how long your data needs to live. This will really dictate the cost benefit of rolling your own on prem or colo vs cloud.

* There is also the convenience factor and simplicity of the cloud I did not take into account. Not having to drive or deal with a colo to change tapes or just dealing with tapes.


Decisions.... you always get screwed somehow right?



-S





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Any favorites?

Or if anyone has a convincing argument to go with managed cloud storage instead to backup ~150TB.

What are you guys using for off-site backups of your storage appliances?



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gsutil rsyncis the default answer here. The more youcan break up the data across multiple machines, the more you'llbe able to saturate yourconnection and move the data faster.

Let me know if you have further questions, I'll be at Siggraph next week and happy to talk.

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On Wednesday, August 5, 2015, Saker Klippsten <sakerk@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm a big fan of compartmentalization. We have specific machines (VMs) working as transfer machines. These machines run our custom code and scripts for moving data around facilities. They mount our various Storage Silos via NFS. From there we run our code to do various tasks. They run cron jobs etc . Or receive jobs to do things like backup to tape etc..or move data to an aspera server... So if we use google to potentially archive long term they would be used in this manner.

It's safer than running code on the file serves.

Also from a security aspect it's safer to put ACLs in place and have an in between machine than running or exposing the server..



On Aug 5, 2015, at 12:37 PM, William Sandler <william.sandler@allthingsmedia.com> wrote:

Yes it's a Solaris 11 box.

I also thought about having a Linux Box in the middle but would like to avoid an extra point of failure if possible. I suppose I could even export the pool and do a ZOL but that isn't too feasible.


William Sandler

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Saker Klippsten <sakerk@gmail.com> wrote:
Is this because your filer is Solaris? How fast is your net connection to google?
Why not just have a Linux Box in the middle, NFS mount your filer or storage server and act as your transfer box to google.



-S



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I wonder if I could get gsutil to work on Solaris since it's Python based. Their site seems to intimate that it's Linux only.


William Sandler

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Saker Klippsten <sakerk@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry hit return and it sent!
ack!


https://cloud.google.com/storage/transfer/index


This talks about going form Glacier to GN but references some gutil commands to


cloud$gsutil-mrsync-r-cbatch-log.txt\ /data/test-vaultgs://nearline-migration/test-vault The -moption instructs gsutil to use multiple threads to copy, which will significantly increase performance if there are many files to copy. The -roption tells gsutil to recurse into any subdirectories below /data/test-vault. The -coption tells gsutil to continue to copy even if there is an error copying one of the files. Note that we did not specify the -d option, which means no objects will be deleted from the destination bucket.


Also quick google search. Looks interesting I think there are linux versions as well



seems to have commandline support.




On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:42 AM, William Sandler <william.sandler@allthingsmedia.com> wrote:
Had a few talks with Google sales guys. It seems the only way to get the data into Nearline is to setup a web server and have them download it.

Does anybody know if there is another way that the Sales guys don't know about? Something like Rsync or FTP? I'd rather not have to install Apache on our backup server and turn it into an external facing web server.




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On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 10:09 PM, William Sandler <william.sandler@allthingsmedia.com> wrote:
I hope to never deal with tape in my career. I've somehow avoided it thus far.

Wow I really like those Google specs. I had incorrectly assumed it was like Glacier and was slow and meant for archive, not backup. I wonder what the retrieval bandwidth is. From a brief look, it seems like 4MB/s but you can pay for faster speeds. Assuming true disaster, with the Colo at least I can always physically pick up the server and bring it locally to recover data at gigabit speeds or higher. (Our WAN is no where near that).

Just to compare costs: I had spec'd out a self-built ZFS server (RAID-Z2) at around $25k and $1,500 a month at the Colo. Additional costs over time would just be adding more back-end.

Nobody ever wants to delete anything these days as they don't want to be the one responsible for ordering a deletion and then a client from 8 years ago comes back asking us to make some edits to ancient project.

Thanks for the info. Just once I wish google wasn't the answer. Eggs, basket.




William Sandler

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 6:08 PM, Saker Klippsten <sakerk@gmail.com> wrote:
This is just a brain dump..

I have be researching COLO's for a bit for our NY Office. You might want to reach out toMatt Easton @ Internap, measton@internap.com
They have one of their COLO in Secauscus NJ. Hop Skip and Jump from the City.Besides just rack space.. they offer many other Services. Cloud Compute, backup etc..
I have not pulled the trigger yet with them but compared to anything on the Island its much less expensive.


Currently we use a mixture of Isilon NL108 and 400 Nodes for up to the min DR and Snapshots and upon project completion we do final project archive using Spectra Logic 380 Libraries and LTO-6 Media.
DR for Vancouver is in LA and Vice-Versa. Now that we have NY looking into adding another potential replica site or even moving LA to NY ( Thanks to the New Yorker Article ) hahah


As far as a cloud argument?
I was just reading up on googles new storage-nearline offering with 3ms retrieval time and 1cent per GB.

1cent per GB per month so that's about $1500 a month for 150TB. I am sure there are taxes.. as well.

vs. Colo with Tape.

All #'s off the top of my head very rough..

Tape: Cost would be about once time cost of $3000 ( 60 tapes with 2.5TB per tape @ $50each ) one set or copy of the data
Library: Cost at say 50k for a 60 tape loader with 1 drive.
Software: Cost 3500? if using Bakbone
Colo Cost: Half Rack just for Robot , Server and switch? ~1500/month? with Connectivity and Power? Taxes etc..
Offiste tape storage cost for second set of tapes? I am not putting this into the equation..

~74K with a potential 56k up front cost.

*It would take you about 49 Months ( ~4 years ) to see that $ back vs the cost of Google Cloud Archive and just another $1500 to pull down that 150TB when needed

*How long do you need to hold on to that data? Indefinitely? Or will that 150TB be updated periodically and purged out..will that 150TB grow ? if so how much?

* If you were to add another 150TB over the course of a year. thats another 21k ( cost of tape plus monthly colo. vs google cloud depending upon how fast you uploaded 150tb you could spend as much as 18ki if you uploaded in January or as little as $1500 if you uploaded 150TB in December..

* Its really all about understanding how long your data needs to live. This will really dictate the cost benefit of rolling your own on prem or colo vs cloud.

* There is also the convenience factor and simplicity of the cloud I did not take into account. Not having to drive or deal with a colo to change tapes or just dealing with tapes.


Decisions.... you always get screwed somehow right?



-S





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Or if anyone has a convincing argument to go with managed cloud storage instead to backup ~150TB.

What are you guys using for off-site backups of your storage appliances?



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Hi I was just about to buy a deeply discounted copy of Server 2012 Essentials when i realised that it was an academic version. Being a Linux house, the object of the exercise is to gain experience using 2012 as central AD to replace openldap with the goal of eventually transitioning to MS AD. I have no real qualms re using an EDU version because i am in effect training myself, but when it comes time to upgrade to a commercial Standard licence to get the user count we need, i'm not at all sure that i can actually in-place upgrade an EDU version to commercial. It would be a lot of very sweary work manually recreating a functioning AD setup on a new box if upgrade failed. So, has anyone had any experience, or better yet, success doing this? Also, will i get bit trying to register an academic version w/o edu credentials? thanks! - cal @ bluebolt To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe
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Hi I was just about to buy a deeply discounted copy of Server 2012 Essentials when i realised that it was an academic version. Being a Linux house, the object of the exercise is to gain experience using 2012 as central AD to replace openldap with the goal of eventually transitioning to MS AD. I have no real qualms re using an EDU version because i am in effect training myself, but when it comes time to upgrade to a commercial Standard licence to get the user count we need, i'm not at all sure that i can actually in-place upgrade an EDU version to commercial. It would be a lot of very sweary work manually recreating a functioning AD setup on a new box if upgrade failed. So, has anyone had any experience, or better yet, success doing this? Also, will i get bit trying to register an academic version w/o edu credentials? thanks! - cal @ bluebolt To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe

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posted by Greg Whynott on Aug. 6, 2015, 10:45 a.m. (1 day ago)
Will 47 1/4 deep racks be sufficient fit any current HDS (BA NAS) gear?

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Will 47 1/4 deep racks be sufficient fit any current HDS (BA NAS) gear?

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StudioSysAdmins @ SIGGRAPH!

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posted by John Hickson on Aug. 7, 2015, 1:03 p.m. (1 day ago)

Final reminder for StudioSysAdmins members going to SIGGRAPH... Events you need to attend :)

 

StudioSysAdmins Birds-of-a-Feather Reception w/Avere on August 10th

http://www.studiosysadmins.com/events/view/85/

 

StudioSysAdmins Reception w/Panasas on August 11th

http://www.studiosysadmins.com/events/view/86

 

There are lots of other great events and panels run by people in the group. Make sure you make the time and support them our community :)

 

 

Please send an e-mail to RSVP@studiosysadmins.com or login to the site and Click Attending! :)

Hope to see you all there.

 

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Final reminder for StudioSysAdmins members going to SIGGRAPH... Events you need to attend :)

 

StudioSysAdmins Birds-of-a-Feather Reception w/Avere on August 10th

http://www.studiosysadmins.com/events/view/85/

 

StudioSysAdmins Reception w/Panasas on August 11th

http://www.studiosysadmins.com/events/view/86

 

There are lots of other great events and panels run by people in the group. Make sure you make the time and support them our community :)

 

 

Please send an e-mail to RSVP@studiosysadmins.com or login to the site and Click Attending! :)

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At SIGGRAPH? Pixar's RendeMan Art & Science Fair

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posted by Chris Ford on Aug. 7, 2015, 3:40 p.m. (1 day ago)
Pixar is holding a special Art & Science Fair focused on RenderMan and related technologies at SIGGRAPH on Wednesday August 12th from 5.30pm. We would love for Studiosysadmin listers attending SIGGRAPH to come along! We will be providing insights into various aspects of rendering related technology from the RenderMan team and partners, Pixars production pipeline, and our research teams, including new production shots from upcoming Pixar movies. There will also be a Feature Presentation focusing on the future of RenderMans new RIS rendering architecture, a special screening of Pixar's latest animated short film, Sanjay's Super Team, and of course an exclusive Art & Science Fair RenderMan Walking Teapot for everyone attending! Details of the event and how to register can be found here: https://rendermansciencefair2015.eventbrite.com We look forward to seeing you in LA! Chris To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe
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Pixar is holding a special Art & Science Fair focused on RenderMan and related technologies at SIGGRAPH on Wednesday August 12th from 5.30pm. We would love for Studiosysadmin listers attending SIGGRAPH to come along! We will be providing insights into various aspects of rendering related technology from the RenderMan team and partners, Pixars production pipeline, and our research teams, including new production shots from upcoming Pixar movies. There will also be a Feature Presentation focusing on the future of RenderMans new RIS rendering architecture, a special screening of Pixar's latest animated short film, Sanjay's Super Team, and of course an exclusive Art & Science Fair RenderMan Walking Teapot for everyone attending! Details of the event and how to register can be found here: https://rendermansciencefair2015.eventbrite.com We look forward to seeing you in LA! Chris To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe

General guide, resources for supporting Flame?

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posted by Jeremy Lang on Aug. 10, 2015, 6:55 p.m. (1 day ago)
I'm suddenly responsible for several and almost need a "for dummies" level book. Any good resources out there to at least get me started?

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I'm suddenly responsible for several and almost need a "for dummies" level book. Any good resources out there to at least get me started?

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posted by Greg Whynott on Aug. 11, 2015, 5:45 p.m. (1 day ago)
Found this while looking through some boxes at home.

Note the etched logo and text, not printed...

They don't make them like they use to. ;)

If I had a time machine I'd go back to 92.... Fun times full of discovery. and drugs (or so I'm told).

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Found this while looking through some boxes at home.

Note the etched logo and text, not printed...

They don't make them like they use to. ;)

If I had a time machine I'd go back to 92.... Fun times full of discovery. and drugs (or so I'm told).

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