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  • 02/10/13--08:50: traceroute 216.81.59.173
  • By Bill Heiden -
    Can't believe I'm the first one to post this, but your inner Star Wars geek will thank me. (Thank you fark.com)

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    By Daniel Mons - So a while back there was a "your preferred distro" thread, which was enlightening. I'm keen to move one step closer to the end user, and talk about Linux desktop environments of choice. We're a KDE4 (currently 4.8.5) shop here. The combination of plenty of GUI options to deal with things like audio and multi screen setup as well as the ability to disable 3D/OpenGL compositing seems to make folks happy. Likewise a more "traditional" desktop (as opposed to the new/shiny/tablet-inspired GNOME3/Unity type interfaces) seems to go down a whole lot better. What is everyone else using, and what's the user feedback like? What are the biggest user likes and dislikes of your current DE? -Dan To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe

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  • 02/10/13--19:00: Fwd:
  • By John Ryan - http://www.colpermessodellafortuna.it/i0lwqj.php?s=ot To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe

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  • 02/11/13--05:25: Ssa search online
  • By Matthew Benns - Ssa search online Im probably just being blind and an idiot, but I cant see a search option for the forums online??
    Doing this at the moment
    http://studiosysadmins.com/board/search/posts/?search_term=isilon+archive


    Matt

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  • 02/11/13--05:25: ghetto Flare
  • By Peter Smith - Hi all We're building a ghetto Flare box. Internal RAID, 1GbE instead of 10GbE etc. Can we get away with a GeForce card over a Quadro? http://www.genarts.com/software/sapphire/autodesk hints that it might be possible ... -- Pete Smith DevOp/System Administrator Realise Studio 12/13 Poland Street, London W1F 8QB T. +44 (0)20 7165 9644 realisestudio.com To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe

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    By Brad Helmink -

    FYI...Adobe has released a pdf today that provides an overview of the workflow, tools and additional docs available for IT admins to help with deploying and updating the applications of the Creative Cloud utilizing their existing infrastructure.

    This has been a huge headache previously for select clients of ours so I thought you might be interested in this...


    Thanks,

    Brad Helmink

    Motion Media, LLC

    p:?310-450-4000?x204

    f: 310-450-4444

    www.motionmedia.com

    ?

    AUTODESK,?ADOBE,?THE FOUNDRY,?RED GIANT,

    BLACKMAGIC,?AJA,?MATROX, E-ON,?MAXON, NEXTLIMIT,

    APPLE, 3DCONNEXION,??PIXOLOGIC,?PIPELINEFX,?VRAY,

    HP, GEFEN,?G-TECHNOLOGY,?NVIDIA, IMAGINEER, and

    many more.


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    By Craig Van Horn -

    I believe there are other things that will go along with each individual sign in... layout preferences, keyboard mapping etc. it will also allow system admins to track individual usage which might be handy for bigger shops.. no?
     
    Regards,

    Craig Van Horne

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    By John Hickson -

    For all people that will be in Toronto next Thursday evening…

     

    -john

     

    Feed: StudioSysAdmins Events
    Posted on: Thursday, February 07, 2013 9:56 AM
    Author: StudioSysAdmins Events
    Subject: StudioSysAdmins Toronto (2013-02-21)

     

    Time/Place:

    When & Where:

     

    Thursday February 21st, 2013

     

     

     

    6:00PM to 9:00PM

     

     

     

     

     

    Location:

     

    Arc Productions

     

     

     

    230 Richmond Street East

     

     

     

     

     

    Parking:

     

    Street parking is available.

     

     

     

     

     

    Other:

     

    Pizza and drinks provided during meeting!

     

     

     

    Then to the pub aftwards for drinks.

     

     

    Agenda:

    6:00PM

     

    People can mingle - pizza & drinks

     

     

     

    6:30PM

     

    Welcome and Quick Introductions

     

     

    6:40PM

     

    Presentation by Avere Systems

     

     

    7:30PM

     

    Presentation by Scalar Decisions

     

     

    8:10PM

     

    Q&A + Group Discussion

     

     

    8:30PM

     

    StudioSysAdmins Update

     

     

    9:00PM

     

    Pub for Beer.

     

     

     

    Topics:

    “The Avere FXT Edge filer: Cut Costs and Improve Performance for Rendering & Transcoding”
    presented by: Aaron Wetherold - Senior System Engineer @ Avere Systems

    Avere will be talking about it's latest 3.0 product release and explain the different use cases on how other studios are using Avere.   Most recently, Avere helped Image Engine, a VFX company, complete the visual effects for Zero Dark Thirty (Read the Press Release).


    About Avere Systems:
    Avere Systems brings to market NAS optimization products that scale performance and capacity separately and take advantage of new storage media using dynamic tiering. Avere’s appliances allow organizations to achieve unlimited performance scaling, free applications from the confines of the data center by eliminating latency, and cut storage costs by more than 50%.

     

    “Scalar RenderCloud Toronto - Update”
    presented by: John Morch - Account Manager @ Scalar Decisions

    Review the status of RenderCloud Toronto and the RenderCloud Toronto Network update. Looking to confirm key members of the Toronto Studio Group (TSG)


    About Scalar Decisions:
    Scalar is the Canadian leader in delivering innovative IT solutions focused on the data centre. Our practice focus is around virtualization & cloud, data management, networks and security. Our deliverables are built upon designing world class systems for our clients, deployment through services, validation of those designs and finally the ongoing monitoring and management of those systems.


    View article...


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    By Scott Parker -

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    Hi Everyone,

    I?d like to invite everyone in the Vancouver area or those visiting, to join us on February 20th (Wednesday) for the first Vancouver StudioSysadmins meeting of 2013.

    This month?s topics are ?The Ultimate Remote Workstation Experience?, ? Fluid File System on Compellent Storage?, and ?Application Aware Power Management in Digital Media?


    Remote Workstation:Whether it?s movie post-production, animation, CAD design, medical diagnostics, geospatial analysis, or stock trading?all require a powerful computing capability and are usually graphically intensive. Both these requirements are particularly challenging for VDI. However, Teradici?s PCoIP workstation solution benefits from the intrinsic attributes of PCoIP technology and has become the solution of choice for power users looking for maximum remote performance.

    Fluid File System: Dell Fluid File System is designed to go beyond the limitations of traditional file systems with a flexible architecture that enables organizations to scale out non-disruptively. The Fluid File System architecture is open-standards based, supports industry-standard protocols and provides innovative features relating to high-availability, performance, efficient data management, data integrity and data protection. As a core component of the Dell Fluid Data architecture, Fluid File System brings differentiated value to the various Dell storage offerings. It is a network attached storage (NAS) file system accessed using CIFS and NFS protocols, but it has features and enhancements that make it unique

    Power Management: This session will share how TSO can show you where power is being used to
    create revenue and where it is being used to powering inactive servers.

    Biographies:

    Kenny Pak - Inside Sales Rep, Teradici
    Kenny Pak is an Inside Sales Representative for Teradici; the creators of the PCoIP protocol where he delivers on client needs through support and education on the value of PCoIP technology in both workstation and VDI solutions. A graduate of Simon Fraser University with a degree in Electronics Engineering his career began with Ultrasonix Medical Corporation where he developed and improved testing software that provided a high level of quality assurance to the medical community. Following he joined Spark Integration Technologies as an Inside Sales & Marketing representative where he implemented ?software set ups as well as developed strategic marketing design plans to increase market awareness and build an external communication framework.

    Carlo Spalvieri - Enterprise Technologist - Storage, Dell

    Douglas Atkinson - Vice President of Sales, TSO Logic
    Douglas Atkinson is a 30 year veteran of the IT industry with strong multi discipline technology background ?with two previous start-up successes and an emphasis on customer solutions and after sales support. ?Before starting with TSO Logic, he was with Oracle storage division, CTO at Seven Group and President of Optima Networks. ?Douglas is the Vice President of Sales at TSO Logic, the first application aware performance monitoring and power management solution, and is excited by the ability to reduce data centers carbon footprint especially in variable workload environments.



    Details for the meeting:
    Location: Centre for Digital Media, 685 Great Northern Way ? The new building beside 577
    Date and time: Wed February 20th, from 6 PM to 8ish PM.
    Refreshments: Yes, there will be pizza and beer and we?ll figure out something for the few of you who are vegans. We will be going to the Tap and Barrel in Olympic Village after the meeting.
    Very important: Parking: You will be given a parking pass when you arrive if you choose to park in the Center's Parking lot. There is usually plenty of free parking on the street also.

    A rough agenda:

    5:30PM: People can mingle in the lounge
    6:00: Welcome and quick introductions
    6:10: Presentation by Teradici
    7:00: Presentation by Dell
    7:40: Presentation by TSO Logic
    8:00 After the presentation we?ll have an open group discussion.
    8:30 PM: Go to the Pub for a beer.

    Please let me know if you?re able to attend. Either by an email RSVP to me or an online RSVP via the Studiosysadmins.com website. We need to get a handle on how much food and beer to bring along.

    Cheers,

    Scott


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  • 02/12/13--10:35: Bare metal OSX
  • By Matt Daly - Why is this so difficult?? I just want to take a mac pro that has no OS, and install mountain lion on a fresh drive. I followed some instructions online (why did I have to look outside of apple.com?) to make a bootable usb from a downloaded image. It failed to boot the system (even though it appears as a boot option on startup), so I am back to searching for answers. I figured someone here might have some tips.
    Thanks
    MD


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    chief scientist  leviathan  http://lvthn.com 

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  • 02/12/13--11:40: RAW to EXR?
  • By Hanoz Elavia - Hello all, We need to convert RAW files from Cannon and Nikon SLRs to EXR. Any good software (apart from dcraw) out there? Thanks, Hanoz To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe

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    Today's Topics:

      1. Re: dense storage footprint (Brian Krusic)
      2. Re: dense storage footprint (Ben Roeder)
      3. Re: dense storage footprint (Ben Kitching)
      4. Re: dense storage footprint (Matt Benns)
      5. Re: dense storage footprint (Douglas Atkinson)
      6. Re: Your preferred Linux Desktop Environment (Don Craig)
      7. Re: Fwd: (Andrew Spurbeck)
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      9. Re: Your preferred Linux Desktop Environment (Jimmy Christensen)
     10. Deploying your Adobe Cloud Team Installs (Brad Helmink)
     11. Re: Fwd: (Will Rosecrans)
     12. Re: Fwd: (John Burton)
     13. Re: Deploying your Adobe Cloud Team Installs
         (Jean-Francois Panisset)
     14. Re: dense storage footprint (Jean-Francois Panisset)
     15. Re: dense storage footprint (greg whynott)
     16. Re: dense storage footprint (Jean-Francois Panisset)
     17. Re: dense storage footprint (greg whynott)
     18. Re: dense storage footprint (Saker Klippsten)
     19. Re: ghetto Flare (Dan Young)
     20. Re: Fwd: (Dan Young)
     21. Re: Deploying your Adobe Cloud Team Installs (Rob LaRose)
     22. Re: Deploying your Adobe Cloud Team Installs (Wayne Chang)
     23. Re: Deploying your Adobe Cloud Team Installs (Rob LaRose)
     24. Re: Deploying your Adobe Cloud Team Installs
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     25. Re: Deploying your Adobe Cloud Team Installs (Rob LaRose)
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         (craig@scorchedice.com)
     27. Re: Deploying your Adobe Cloud Team Installs
         (Jean-Francois Panisset)
     28. Re: Deploying your Adobe Cloud Team Installs (Rob LaRose)
     29. Re: Deploying your Adobe Cloud Team Installs (Nick Allevato)
     30. Re: Deploying your Adobe Cloud Team Installs (Wayne Chang)
     31. Re: ghetto Flare (Pete Smith)
     32. Re: Your preferred Linux Desktop Environment (Don Craig)
     33. Re: Your preferred Linux Desktop Environment (Jimmy Christensen)
     34. StudioSysAdmins Meeting - Toronto (2013-02-21) (John Hickson)
     35. Re: ghetto Flare (Dan Young)
     36. Re: Your preferred Linux Desktop Environment (Don Craig)
     37. Re: dense storage footprint (Cal Sawyer)
     38. Re: dense storage footprint (Saker Klippsten)
     39. Re: Your preferred Linux Desktop Environment (Shane McEwan)

    From: Brian Krusic <brian@krusic.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] dense storage footprint
    Date: 11 February 2013 16:28:36 GMT
    To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    What, 1/2 PB in 8U???


    - Brian





    On Feb 11, 2013, at 7:33 AM, Pete Smith wrote:

    480TB in 8U using Nexsan E60 and E60X.

    On 11 February 2013 13:58, Matt Benns <Matt.Benns@springstudios.com> wrote:
    Was looking at something similar recently..
    Netapp – not my first choice – have something, which spec wise looks quite
    nice

    Option 1 is the Nexsan E48 - 48x 4TB Drives - (192TBs into 4U - 4x 8Gbit FC
    Ports & 4x 1GBit iSCSI ports)

    Option 2 is the NetApp produced V2 box  60x 4TB Drives - (240TBs into 4U 8x
    8GBit FC Ports)

    Option 2 is quite good.. Not bad price as well under £60K cheaper than the
    nexsan

    Matt


    On 09/02/2013 03:05, "Brian Krusic" <brian@krusic.com> wrote:

    Hi,

    I'm finding 256TB raw storage in an 8U footprint as dense as possible using
    3.5" drives.

    Has any one found something more dense?

    - Brian

    www.krusic.com<http://www.krusic.com>





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    From: Ben Roeder <ben.roeder@sohonet.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] dense storage footprint
    Date: 11 February 2013 17:22:14 GMT
    To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    These all have the option to have a proc right next to your disks, if you are building a cluster of some sort

    http://www.dell.com/us/enterprise/p/poweredge-c8000/pd?~ck=anav
    with all drive cans can be 48 drives in 4U

    SuperMicro active chassis with 36 drives  in 4u
    Tyan have a similar box coming

    These were really good but where killed 3 years ago
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Fire_X4500

    You can get the nasty 'coffin' boxes that have 60 drives, http://www.raidinc.com/products/storage-solutions/ebod/4u-ebod/ , but they are about ~2m deep and will pull your rack over when you slide it out to replace broken drives.

    There are also the LSI based chassis 60 drive chassis, but they have no proc.

    Open compute looks interesting, but funny size racks 30 drives 2U
    http://www.opencompute.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Open_Compute_Project_Open_Vault_Storage_Specification_v0.7.pdf
    http://www.opencompute.org/projects/storage/

    Ben Roeder
    ben.roeder@sohonet.com
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    On 11 Feb 2013, at 15:59, Richard McGuinness wrote:

    dell now do a 60 drive chassis called a md 3660 in 4u   can also
    expand using the drive only chassis

    pretty good value from what ive seen
    .....

    Richard McGuinness
    Commercial Director
    Escape Studios
    +44 (0) 20 7348 1920
    http://techstore.escapestudios.co.uk





    On 11 February 2013 15:33, Pete Smith <pete@realisestudio.com> wrote:
    480TB in 8U using Nexsan E60 and E60X.

    On 11 February 2013 13:58, Matt Benns <Matt.Benns@springstudios.com> wrote:
    Was looking at something similar recently..
    Netapp – not my first choice – have something, which spec wise looks quite
    nice

    Option 1 is the Nexsan E48 - 48x 4TB Drives - (192TBs into 4U - 4x 8Gbit FC
    Ports & 4x 1GBit iSCSI ports)

    Option 2 is the NetApp produced V2 box  60x 4TB Drives - (240TBs into 4U 8x
    8GBit FC Ports)

    Option 2 is quite good.. Not bad price as well under £60K cheaper than the
    nexsan

    Matt


    On 09/02/2013 03:05, "Brian Krusic" <brian@krusic.com> wrote:

    Hi,

    I'm finding 256TB raw storage in an 8U footprint as dense as possible using
    3.5" drives.

    Has any one found something more dense?

    - Brian

    www.krusic.com <http://www.krusic.com>





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    From: Ben Kitching <Ben.Kitching@Jigsaw24.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] dense storage footprint
    Date: 11 February 2013 17:34:07 GMT
    To: "<discuss@studiosysadmins.com>" <discuss@studiosysadmins.com>
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    SGI do a nice chassis that will take up to 81 3.5" drives in 4U, you can get processing in there as well if you lose 9 of those drives.


    Frighteningly dense, they even do modules to allow up to 162 2.5" drives in the same chassis.

    Ben Kitching | Solutions Architect

    Call me on: 0115 916 5530 | Or Mobile: 07739326609 | Email me at: Ben.Kitching@Jigsaw24.com | Check out: www.Jigsaw3D.com




    On 11 Feb 2013, at 17:22, Ben Roeder <ben.roeder@sohonet.com> wrote:

    These all have the option to have a proc right next to your disks, if you are building a cluster of some sort

    http://www.dell.com/us/enterprise/p/poweredge-c8000/pd?~ck=anav
    with all drive cans can be 48 drives in 4U

    SuperMicro active chassis with 36 drives  in 4u
    Tyan have a similar box coming

    These were really good but where killed 3 years ago
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Fire_X4500

    You can get the nasty 'coffin' boxes that have 60 drives, http://www.raidinc.com/products/storage-solutions/ebod/4u-ebod/ , but they are about ~2m deep and will pull your rack over when you slide it out to replace broken drives.

    There are also the LSI based chassis 60 drive chassis, but they have no proc.

    Open compute looks interesting, but funny size racks 30 drives 2U
    http://www.opencompute.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Open_Compute_Project_Open_Vault_Storage_Specification_v0.7.pdf
    http://www.opencompute.org/projects/storage/

    Ben Roeder
    ben.roeder@sohonet.com
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    On 11 Feb 2013, at 15:59, Richard McGuinness wrote:

    dell now do a 60 drive chassis called a md 3660 in 4u   can also
    expand using the drive only chassis

    pretty good value from what ive seen
    .....

    Richard McGuinness
    Commercial Director
    Escape Studios
    +44 (0) 20 7348 1920
    http://techstore.escapestudios.co.uk





    On 11 February 2013 15:33, Pete Smith <pete@realisestudio.com> wrote:
    480TB in 8U using Nexsan E60 and E60X.

    On 11 February 2013 13:58, Matt Benns <Matt.Benns@springstudios.com> wrote:
    Was looking at something similar recently..
    Netapp – not my first choice – have something, which spec wise looks quite
    nice

    Option 1 is the Nexsan E48 - 48x 4TB Drives - (192TBs into 4U - 4x 8Gbit FC
    Ports & 4x 1GBit iSCSI ports)

    Option 2 is the NetApp produced V2 box  60x 4TB Drives - (240TBs into 4U 8x
    8GBit FC Ports)

    Option 2 is quite good.. Not bad price as well under £60K cheaper than the
    nexsan

    Matt


    On 09/02/2013 03:05, "Brian Krusic" <brian@krusic.com> wrote:

    Hi,

    I'm finding 256TB raw storage in an 8U footprint as dense as possible using
    3.5" drives.

    Has any one found something more dense?

    - Brian

    www.krusic.com <http://www.krusic.com>





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    From: Matt Benns <Matt.Benns@springstudios.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] dense storage footprint
    Date: 11 February 2013 17:41:29 GMT
    To: <discuss@studiosysadmins.com>
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    Re: [SSA-Discuss] dense storage footprint
    Only thing with the e60 is it wont fit into a standard rack , to long...
    Matt


    On 11/02/2013 16:28, "Brian Krusic" <brian@krusic.com> wrote:

    What, 1/2 PB in 8U???


    - Brian

    www.krusic.com <http://www.krusic.com>




    On Feb 11, 2013, at 7:33 AM, Pete Smith wrote:

    480TB in 8U using Nexsan E60 and E60X.

    On 11 February 2013 13:58, Matt Benns <Matt.Benns@springstudios.com> wrote:
    Was looking at something similar recently..
    Netapp – not my first choice – have something, which spec wise looks quite
    nice

    Option 1 is the Nexsan E48 - 48x 4TB Drives - (192TBs into 4U - 4x 8Gbit FC
    Ports & 4x 1GBit iSCSI ports)

    Option 2 is the NetApp produced V2 box  60x 4TB Drives - (240TBs into 4U 8x
    8GBit FC Ports)

    Option 2 is quite good.. Not bad price as well under £60K cheaper than the
    nexsan

    Matt


    On 09/02/2013 03:05, "Brian Krusic" <brian@krusic.com> wrote:

    Hi,

    I'm finding 256TB raw storage in an 8U footprint as dense as possible using
    3.5" drives.

    Has any one found something more dense?

    - Brian

    www.krusic.com <http://www.krusic.com>  <http://www.krusic.com>





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    From: Douglas Atkinson <doug63@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] dense storage footprint
    Date: 11 February 2013 17:52:27 GMT
    To: "discuss@studiosysadmins.com" <discuss@studiosysadmins.com>
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    Xyratex has a 5U 84 drive with 3.5" and 2.5" support.  SAS connected. 

    Sent from my mobile device, please excuse spelling mistakes. 

    Douglas Atkinson
    604-619-9430


    On 2013-02-11, at 9:41, Matt Benns <Matt.Benns@springstudios.com> wrote:

    Re: [SSA-Discuss] dense storage footprint Only thing with the e60 is it wont fit into a standard rack , to long...
    Matt


    On 11/02/2013 16:28, "Brian Krusic" <brian@krusic.com> wrote:

    What, 1/2 PB in 8U???


    - Brian

    www.krusic.com<http://www.krusic.com>




    On Feb 11, 2013, at 7:33 AM, Pete Smith wrote:

    480TB in 8U using Nexsan E60 and E60X.

    On 11 February 2013 13:58, Matt Benns <Matt.Benns@springstudios.com> wrote:
    Was looking at something similar recently..
    Netapp – not my first choice – have something, which spec wise looks quite
    nice

    Option 1 is the Nexsan E48 - 48x 4TB Drives - (192TBs into 4U - 4x 8Gbit FC
    Ports & 4x 1GBit iSCSI ports)

    Option 2 is the NetApp produced V2 box  60x 4TB Drives - (240TBs into 4U 8x
    8GBit FC Ports)

    Option 2 is quite good.. Not bad price as well under £60K cheaper than the
    nexsan

    Matt


    On 09/02/2013 03:05, "Brian Krusic" <brian@krusic.com> wrote:

    Hi,

    I'm finding 256TB raw storage in an 8U footprint as dense as possible using
    3.5" drives.

    Has any one found something more dense?

    - Brian

    www.krusic.com<http://www.krusic.com>  <http://www.krusic.com>





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    From: Don Craig <dmc@arboretumstudios.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] Your preferred Linux Desktop Environment
    Date: 11 February 2013 18:08:55 GMT
    To: Discuss@StudioSysAdmins.com
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    I recently went through an install of Ubuntu 12.10 on a fairly decent system:
    Core i7-3930K @3.20 GHz with 64GB Ram and Qty 3 Geforce GTX 690's.

    The only way I could get mplayer, vlc, or choose your own poison video player
    to display all the image frames it was supposed to was to shoot the
    default window manager - Compiz - and replace it with metacity 2D.
    I kind of liked Compiz' whizzy features, but it wasn't possible to get smooth
    playback with it.

    I tried tweaking a bunch of parameters under Compiz first, but with no success.

    Don Craig





    From: Andrew Spurbeck <andrew@rfx.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] Fwd:
    Date: 11 February 2013 18:27:07 GMT
    To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    damn,  thats twice this morning from two different sources...

    -=Andrew
    RFX
    323-962-7400

    On 2/10/2013 9:01 PM, Greg Ercolano wrote:
    On 02/10/13 19:32, John Burton wrote:
    I've also noticed more recent instances in which the cosmetic name is someone I know, but address is unrelated.
    Like make the contact list was scooped, but that's it, and is being sent from other accounts.
    Ya, I've seen those too.

    In these weird recent cases with relatives, it was different; the real person's
    email address was used for From:, Reply-To:, and Return-Path, and the 'Received:' trail
    showed it to originate from google's servers, not random bots.

    For JR's spam, the trail is:

    1) Received: from localhost (c-50-149-132-219.hsd1.va.comcast.net.[50.149.132.219]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id er20so5433885lab.32 for <discuss@studiosysadmins.com>; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 18:59:04 -0800 (PST)
    2) Received: by mail-la0-f45.google.com with SMTP id er20so5433885lab.32 for <discuss@studiosysadmins.com>; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 18:59:04 -0800 (PST)
    3) Received: from mail-la0-f45.google.com (mail-la0-f45.google.com [209.85.215.45]) by mail.creativityreactor.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A27CC0A56 for <discuss@studiosysadmins.com>; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 22:59:05 -0400 (AST)
    4) Received: [..dances its way through the studiosysadmin's delivery chain..]

    So I take it 50.149.132.219 is somebody's 'botted box, perhaps acting as a proxy.

    This is very similar to the message I received from a cousin whose gmail account was similarly jacked
    with sending a one-line url:

    1) Received: from localhost (66-87-64-116.pools.spcsdns.net. [66.87.64.116]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gi3sm11550778lab.7.2013.02.05.11.48.32 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Feb 2013 11:48:37 -0800 (PST)
    2) Received: by mail-la0-f42.google.com with SMTP id fe20so601358lab.1 for <erco@seriss.com>; Tue, 05 Feb 2013 11:48:38 -0800 (PST)]
    3) Received: from mail-la0-f42.google.com (mail-la0-f42.google.com [209.85.215.42]) by qs1134.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E97941414for <erco@seriss.com>; Tue,  5 Feb 2013 14:48:40 -0500 (EST)
    4) [..dances through my local mail delivery chain..]

    So there's similarities in that both directly connected to mx.google.com
    and used SMTP, letting mx.google originate the message. I imagine to do this,
    the botted machine has to send the user's valid email + password. The result
    being a message that would fool spam filters.

    There's also similarities in the two spam message's Message-ID:

    Message-ID: <51116215.0369980a.32d2.09dd@mx.google.com>
    Message-ID: <51185e77.ca93980a.4614.ffffcd96@mx.google.com>

    ..which I imagine is google's SMTP interface assigning a Message-ID
    to the message because the sender didn't assign one; it's letting
    google handle originating the message.

    Sampling my inbox, it's a rare few messages out of thousands where
    gmail originated messages have a Message-ID assigned with @mx.google.com..
    most are @gmail.com.
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    From: Andrew Spurbeck <andrew@rfx.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] Fwd:
    Date: 11 February 2013 18:27:39 GMT
    To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    lol +1

    -=Andrew
    RFX
    323-962-7400

    On 2/10/2013 7:04 PM, John Burton wrote:
    This sounds like a job for Sandboxie. :)

    On 2013-02-10, at 7:03 PM, John Burton <jburton@geckotemple.com> wrote:

    I dunno about anyone else, but I for one am not opening that.

    On 2013-02-10, at 5:58 PM, John Ryan <jnr0123@gmail.com> wrote:

    http://www.colpermessodellafortuna.it/i0lwqj.php?s=ot

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    From: Jimmy Christensen <lithorus@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] Your preferred Linux Desktop Environment
    Date: 11 February 2013 18:56:49 GMT
    To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    I can recommend switching to cinnamon. It's gtk-3 looking like a modern gnome 2.x.

    On Feb 11, 2013 7:09 PM, "Don Craig" <dmc@arboretumstudios.com> wrote:
    I recently went through an install of Ubuntu 12.10 on a fairly decent system:
    Core i7-3930K @3.20 GHz with 64GB Ram and Qty 3 Geforce GTX 690's.

    The only way I could get mplayer, vlc, or choose your own poison video player
    to display all the image frames it was supposed to was to shoot the
    default window manager - Compiz - and replace it with metacity 2D.
    I kind of liked Compiz' whizzy features, but it wasn't possible to get smooth
    playback with it.

    I tried tweaking a bunch of parameters under Compiz first, but with no success.

    Don Craig

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    From: Brad Helmink <brad@motionmedia.com>
    Subject: [SSA-Discuss] Deploying your Adobe Cloud Team Installs
    Date: 11 February 2013 19:10:19 GMT
    To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    FYI...Adobe has released a pdf today that provides an overview of the workflow, tools and additional docs available for IT admins to help with deploying and updating the applications of the Creative Cloud utilizing their existing infrastructure.

    This has been a huge headache previously for select clients of ours so I thought you might be interested in this...


    Thanks,

    Brad Helmink
    Motion Media, LLC
    p: 310-450-4000 x204
    f: 310-450-4444

     

    AUTODESK, ADOBE, THE FOUNDRY, RED GIANT,
    BLACKMAGICAJAMATROX, E-ON, MAXON, NEXTLIMIT,
    APPLE, 3DCONNEXION,  PIXOLOGICPIPELINEFX, VRAY,
    HP, GEFEN, G-TECHNOLOGYNVIDIA, IMAGINEER, and
    many more.



    From: Will Rosecrans <will-r@moving-picture.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] Fwd:
    Date: 11 February 2013 20:09:41 GMT
    To: "discuss@studiosysadmins.com" <discuss@studiosysadmins.com>
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com



    Doing it this way is probably enough of an impersonation to fool a lot of
    "general audiences," but the person being imitated doesn't get bounces of
    undelivered mail, and people can't trivially reply to say "Yo dude, ur
    hacked."  Because of that, you don't get the email a few minutes later
    saying "DON'T CLICK THAT!  I DIDN'T SEND IT!."  So, the number of people
    you miss with the phishing due to bad impersonation may be balanced by the
    number of people you would lose from the hacked person noticing.


    --
    MPC LA

    Will Rosecrans | Engineer
    1437 4th Street, 4th Floor, Santa Monica, CA 90401
    310.526.5800   www.moving-picture.com <http://www.moving-picture.com/>






    In a message from 2/10/13 7:32 PM, "John Burton" <jburton@geckotemple.com>
    wrote:

    I've also noticed more recent instances in which the cosmetic name is
    someone I know, but address is unrelated. Like make the contact list was
    scooped, but that's it, and is being sent from other accounts.





    From: John Burton <jburton@geckotemple.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] Fwd:
    Date: 11 February 2013 21:16:08 GMT
    To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    Just reminded me of what we at EACanada called the "MSN-Based IQ Test" in the mid-2000s, with the text "Hey, is this a picture of you?" and a link that would include your email address, which made it all the more tempting.  The number of people popping up from their cubicles and yelling "Nobody Click That!" was pretty hilarious.  Especially when it'd been an hour or two after a wave, and then that one guy who just got back from dodgeball league, and didn't know, clicked on the link, and triggered it all over again.

    JB

    On 2/11/2013 12:09 PM, Will Rosecrans wrote:
    Doing it this way is probably enough of an impersonation to fool a lot of
    "general audiences," but the person being imitated doesn't get bounces of
    undelivered mail, and people can't trivially reply to say "Yo dude, ur
    hacked."  Because of that, you don't get the email a few minutes later
    saying "DON'T CLICK THAT!  I DIDN'T SEND IT!."  So, the number of people
    you miss with the phishing due to bad impersonation may be balanced by the
    number of people you would lose from the hacked person noticing.


    --
    MPC LA

    Will Rosecrans | Engineer
    1437 4th Street, 4th Floor, Santa Monica, CA 90401
    310.526.5800   www.moving-picture.com <http://www.moving-picture.com/>






    In a message from 2/10/13 7:32 PM, "John Burton" <jburton@geckotemple.com>
    wrote:

    I've also noticed more recent instances in which the cosmetic name is
    someone I know, but address is unrelated. Like make the contact list was
    scooped, but that's it, and is being sent from other accounts.
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    From: Jean-Francois Panisset <panisset@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] Deploying your Adobe Cloud Team Installs
    Date: 11 February 2013 21:35:21 GMT
    To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    I just read this document quickly, but this seems to make things even
    more difficult than before. Whoever wrote something like:

    "On the Sign In Required screen the Adobe ID used to package the CS6
    software will be displayed. It is important to provide instructions to
    the users to select Not Your Adobe ID.
    Now the user will be able to sign in with their Adobe ID that is
    associated with the Creative Cloud for
    teams membership on the Sign In screen.
    Note:  The optimal sequence/timing of this workflow and the related
    process of sending out
    invitations via the Creative Cloud Admin Console depends on the
    schedule and communication about
    the deployment as well as the overall rollout plan of the Creative
    Cloud in the organization."

    has clearly never dealt with user support issues and software
    deployment at scale, or is having quite a laugh right now. This also
    seems to assume that workstations are assigned to specific users, and
    that the specific copy of CS6 on a specific workstation needs to be
    licensed to a specific user.

    JF



    On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Brad Helmink <brad@motionmedia.com> wrote:
    FYI...Adobe has released a pdf today that provides an overview of the
    workflow, tools and additional docs available for IT admins to help with
    deploying and updating the applications of the Creative Cloud utilizing
    their existing infrastructure.

    This has been a huge headache previously for select clients of ours so I
    thought you might be interested in this...

    http://www.motionmedia.com/v/vspfiles/assets/pdf/adobe/CCT_IT_Deployment_Guide.pdf

    Thanks,

    Brad Helmink

    Motion Media, LLC

    p: 310-450-4000 x204

    f: 310-450-4444

    www.motionmedia.com



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    HP, GEFEN, G-TECHNOLOGY, NVIDIA, IMAGINEER, and

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    From: Jean-Francois Panisset <panisset@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] dense storage footprint
    Date: 11 February 2013 21:48:53 GMT
    To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    I'm not a big fan of "pullout" chassis: they tend to be overly deep
    and cause rack mounting nightmares, and I never trust the "cable
    management" arms to not rip out the power cord or fibre cables when
    I'm pulling out the unit. Replacing a failed drive is already
    sufficiently stressful (I always worry about pulling out the wrong
    drive, even with ID lights) without having to worry about pulling out
    the enclosure (and as someone mentioned, there's always the risk of
    tipping over the rack if it isn't sufficiently well bolted down).

    One exception is some Engenio / NetApp shelves I saw at a show last
    year: the drives are mounted on "cookie sheets" so you would pull out
    only one "sheet" of drives, not the whole thing, and the cable
    management looked robust. (searching around a bit) NetApp E5460:

    https://communities.netapp.com/videos/2036

    Cable management demo at 3:40. No idea what the pricing is like...

    JF


    On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Douglas Atkinson <doug63@gmail.com> wrote:
    Xyratex has a 5U 84 drive with 3.5" and 2.5" support.  SAS connected.

    Sent from my mobile device, please excuse spelling mistakes.

    Douglas Atkinson
    604-619-9430


    On 2013-02-11, at 9:41, Matt Benns <Matt.Benns@springstudios.com> wrote:

    Only thing with the e60 is it wont fit into a standard rack , to long...
    Matt


    On 11/02/2013 16:28, "Brian Krusic" <brian@krusic.com> wrote:

    What, 1/2 PB in 8U???


    - Brian

    www.krusic.com <http://www.krusic.com>




    On Feb 11, 2013, at 7:33 AM, Pete Smith wrote:

    480TB in 8U using Nexsan E60 and E60X.

    On 11 February 2013 13:58, Matt Benns <Matt.Benns@springstudios.com> wrote:

    Was looking at something similar recently..
    Netapp – not my first choice – have something, which spec wise looks quite
    nice

    Option 1 is the Nexsan E48 - 48x 4TB Drives - (192TBs into 4U - 4x 8Gbit FC
    Ports & 4x 1GBit iSCSI ports)

    Option 2 is the NetApp produced V2 box  60x 4TB Drives - (240TBs into 4U 8x
    8GBit FC Ports)

    Option 2 is quite good.. Not bad price as well under £60K cheaper than the
    nexsan

    Matt


    On 09/02/2013 03:05, "Brian Krusic" <brian@krusic.com> wrote:

    Hi,

    I'm finding 256TB raw storage in an 8U footprint as dense as possible using
    3.5" drives.

    Has any one found something more dense?

    - Brian

    www.krusic.com <http://www.krusic.com>  <http://www.krusic.com>





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    From: greg whynott <greg.whynott@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] dense storage footprint
    Date: 11 February 2013 22:00:39 GMT
    To: "discuss@studiosysadmins.com" <discuss@studiosysadmins.com>
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    the NetApp shelves you speak of (E5400) put 60 drives into 4U.    I was looking at them for a luster project but we ended up not deploying luster (...again... sad face).   They are a great high density solution,  but come at a cost naturally (when compared to supermicro or backblaze solution).  If you needed a well supported product for a critical solution,  I can't think of many other vendors I'd look at for a pure disk based solution (read no 'heads').    This is an acquired product so you don't get to enjoy RAIDDP yet,  but RAID6 is there.

    Xyratex has a dense solution (ap-2584) if you can spare 1 more U.    84 drives into 5U of space.  I believe it to be a JBOD without RAID hardware should that be a concern/requirement.
     
    -g




    On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Jean-Francois Panisset <panisset@gmail.com> wrote:
    I'm not a big fan of "pullout" chassis: they tend to be overly deep
    and cause rack mounting nightmares, and I never trust the "cable
    management" arms to not rip out the power cord or fibre cables when
    I'm pulling out the unit. Replacing a failed drive is already
    sufficiently stressful (I always worry about pulling out the wrong
    drive, even with ID lights) without having to worry about pulling out
    the enclosure (and as someone mentioned, there's always the risk of
    tipping over the rack if it isn't sufficiently well bolted down).

    One exception is some Engenio / NetApp shelves I saw at a show last
    year: the drives are mounted on "cookie sheets" so you would pull out
    only one "sheet" of drives, not the whole thing, and the cable
    management looked robust. (searching around a bit) NetApp E5460:

    https://communities.netapp.com/videos/2036

    Cable management demo at 3:40. No idea what the pricing is like...

    JF


    On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Douglas Atkinson <doug63@gmail.com> wrote:
    > Xyratex has a 5U 84 drive with 3.5" and 2.5" support.  SAS connected.
    >
    > Sent from my mobile device, please excuse spelling mistakes.
    >
    > Douglas Atkinson
    > 604-619-9430
    >
    >
    > On 2013-02-11, at 9:41, Matt Benns <Matt.Benns@springstudios.com> wrote:
    >
    > Only thing with the e60 is it wont fit into a standard rack , to long...
    > Matt
    >
    >
    > On 11/02/2013 16:28, "Brian Krusic" <brian@krusic.com> wrote:
    >
    > What, 1/2 PB in 8U???
    >
    >
    > - Brian
    >
    > www.krusic.com<http://www.krusic.com>
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On Feb 11, 2013, at 7:33 AM, Pete Smith wrote:
    >
    > 480TB in 8U using Nexsan E60 and E60X.
    >
    > On 11 February 2013 13:58, Matt Benns <Matt.Benns@springstudios.com> wrote:
    >
    > Was looking at something similar recently..
    > Netapp – not my first choice – have something, which spec wise looks quite
    > nice
    >
    > Option 1 is the Nexsan E48 - 48x 4TB Drives - (192TBs into 4U - 4x 8Gbit FC
    > Ports & 4x 1GBit iSCSI ports)
    >
    > Option 2 is the NetApp produced V2 box  60x 4TB Drives - (240TBs into 4U 8x
    > 8GBit FC Ports)
    >
    > Option 2 is quite good.. Not bad price as well under £60K cheaper than the
    > nexsan
    >
    > Matt
    >
    >
    > On 09/02/2013 03:05, "Brian Krusic" <brian@krusic.com> wrote:
    >
    > Hi,
    >
    > I'm finding 256TB raw storage in an 8U footprint as dense as possible using
    > 3.5" drives.
    >
    > Has any one found something more dense?
    >
    > - Brian
    >
    > www.krusic.com<http://www.krusic.com>  <http://www.krusic.com>
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
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    From: Jean-Francois Panisset <panisset@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] dense storage footprint
    Date: 11 February 2013 22:09:58 GMT
    To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    Didn't realize those E5460s have RAID controllers. Wonder if the
    DE6600 expansion shelves could be used for pure JBOD applications
    (ZFS?), or if they have to be linked to an E5460 controller.

    JF


    On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 2:00 PM, greg whynott <greg.whynott@gmail.com> wrote:
    the NetApp shelves you speak of (E5400) put 60 drives into 4U.    I was
    looking at them for a luster project but we ended up not deploying luster
    (...again... sad face).   They are a great high density solution,  but come
    at a cost naturally (when compared to supermicro or backblaze solution).  If
    you needed a well supported product for a critical solution,  I can't think
    of many other vendors I'd look at for a pure disk based solution (read no
    'heads').    This is an acquired product so you don't get to enjoy RAIDDP
    yet,  but RAID6 is there.

    Xyratex has a dense solution (ap-2584) if you can spare 1 more U.    84
    drives into 5U of space.  I believe it to be a JBOD without RAID hardware
    should that be a concern/requirement.

    -g




    On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Jean-Francois Panisset <panisset@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    I'm not a big fan of "pullout" chassis: they tend to be overly deep
    and cause rack mounting nightmares, and I never trust the "cable
    management" arms to not rip out the power cord or fibre cables when
    I'm pulling out the unit. Replacing a failed drive is already
    sufficiently stressful (I always worry about pulling out the wrong
    drive, even with ID lights) without having to worry about pulling out
    the enclosure (and as someone mentioned, there's always the risk of
    tipping over the rack if it isn't sufficiently well bolted down).

    One exception is some Engenio / NetApp shelves I saw at a show last
    year: the drives are mounted on "cookie sheets" so you would pull out
    only one "sheet" of drives, not the whole thing, and the cable
    management looked robust. (searching around a bit) NetApp E5460:

    https://communities.netapp.com/videos/2036

    Cable management demo at 3:40. No idea what the pricing is like...

    JF


    On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Douglas Atkinson <doug63@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    Xyratex has a 5U 84 drive with 3.5" and 2.5" support.  SAS connected.

    Sent from my mobile device, please excuse spelling mistakes.

    Douglas Atkinson
    604-619-9430


    On 2013-02-11, at 9:41, Matt Benns <Matt.Benns@springstudios.com> wrote:

    Only thing with the e60 is it wont fit into a standard rack , to long...
    Matt


    On 11/02/2013 16:28, "Brian Krusic" <brian@krusic.com> wrote:

    What, 1/2 PB in 8U???


    - Brian

    www.krusic.com <http://www.krusic.com>




    On Feb 11, 2013, at 7:33 AM, Pete Smith wrote:

    480TB in 8U using Nexsan E60 and E60X.

    On 11 February 2013 13:58, Matt Benns <Matt.Benns@springstudios.com>
    wrote:

    Was looking at something similar recently..
    Netapp – not my first choice – have something, which spec wise looks
    quite
    nice

    Option 1 is the Nexsan E48 - 48x 4TB Drives - (192TBs into 4U - 4x 8Gbit
    FC
    Ports & 4x 1GBit iSCSI ports)

    Option 2 is the NetApp produced V2 box  60x 4TB Drives - (240TBs into 4U
    8x
    8GBit FC Ports)

    Option 2 is quite good.. Not bad price as well under £60K cheaper than
    the
    nexsan

    Matt


    On 09/02/2013 03:05, "Brian Krusic" <brian@krusic.com> wrote:

    Hi,

    I'm finding 256TB raw storage in an 8U footprint as dense as possible
    using
    3.5" drives.

    Has any one found something more dense?

    - Brian

    www.krusic.com <http://www.krusic.com>  <http://www.krusic.com>





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    From: greg whynott <greg.whynott@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] dense storage footprint
    Date: 11 February 2013 22:40:56 GMT
    To: "discuss@studiosysadmins.com" <discuss@studiosysadmins.com>
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    you probably could run it as a JBOD (as it supports RAID 0,  just would need to create lots of 'non raid sets'.) but you will lose much of the vaule add the solution brings.    I didn't see any 'dumb' controllers on thier web site and the box itself doesn't have any ports out the back,  which may indicate you require  the controller to use it.   The controller probably adds about 5-10k to the cost of the solution.  It also allows the use of SSD drives for caching too,  so you might not want to give that up (think you need Santricity for that as well.).

    If i didn't want the benefits that the controller brought to the table,  I'd probably look closer at the Xyratex solutions.

    -g




    On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Jean-Francois Panisset <panisset@gmail.com> wrote:
    Didn't realize those E5460s have RAID controllers. Wonder if the
    DE6600 expansion shelves could be used for pure JBOD applications
    (ZFS?), or if they have to be linked to an E5460 controller.

    JF


    On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 2:00 PM, greg whynott <greg.whynott@gmail.com> wrote:
    > the NetApp shelves you speak of (E5400) put 60 drives into 4U.    I was
    > looking at them for a luster project but we ended up not deploying luster
    > (...again... sad face).   They are a great high density solution,  but come
    > at a cost naturally (when compared to supermicro or backblaze solution).  If
    > you needed a well supported product for a critical solution,  I can't think
    > of many other vendors I'd look at for a pure disk based solution (read no
    > 'heads').    This is an acquired product so you don't get to enjoy RAIDDP
    > yet,  but RAID6 is there.
    >
    > Xyratex has a dense solution (ap-2584) if you can spare 1 more U.    84
    > drives into 5U of space.  I believe it to be a JBOD without RAID hardware
    > should that be a concern/requirement.
    >
    > -g
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Jean-Francois Panisset <panisset@gmail.com>
    > wrote:
    >>
    >> I'm not a big fan of "pullout" chassis: they tend to be overly deep
    >> and cause rack mounting nightmares, and I never trust the "cable
    >> management" arms to not rip out the power cord or fibre cables when
    >> I'm pulling out the unit. Replacing a failed drive is already
    >> sufficiently stressful (I always worry about pulling out the wrong
    >> drive, even with ID lights) without having to worry about pulling out
    >> the enclosure (and as someone mentioned, there's always the risk of
    >> tipping over the rack if it isn't sufficiently well bolted down).
    >>
    >> One exception is some Engenio / NetApp shelves I saw at a show last
    >> year: the drives are mounted on "cookie sheets" so you would pull out
    >> only one "sheet" of drives, not the whole thing, and the cable
    >> management looked robust. (searching around a bit) NetApp E5460:
    >>
    >> https://communities.netapp.com/videos/2036
    >>
    >> Cable management demo at 3:40. No idea what the pricing is like...
    >>
    >> JF
    >>
    >>
    >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Douglas Atkinson <doug63@gmail.com>
    >> wrote:
    >> > Xyratex has a 5U 84 drive with 3.5" and 2.5" support.  SAS connected.
    >> >
    >> > Sent from my mobile device, please excuse spelling mistakes.
    >> >
    >> > Douglas Atkinson
    >> > 604-619-9430
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > On 2013-02-11, at 9:41, Matt Benns <Matt.Benns@springstudios.com> wrote:
    >> >
    >> > Only thing with the e60 is it wont fit into a standard rack , to long...
    >> > Matt
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > On 11/02/2013 16:28, "Brian Krusic" <brian@krusic.com> wrote:
    >> >
    >> > What, 1/2 PB in 8U???
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > - Brian
    >> >
    >> > www.krusic.com<http://www.krusic.com>
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > On Feb 11, 2013, at 7:33 AM, Pete Smith wrote:
    >> >
    >> > 480TB in 8U using Nexsan E60 and E60X.
    >> >
    >> > On 11 February 2013 13:58, Matt Benns <Matt.Benns@springstudios.com>
    >> > wrote:
    >> >
    >> > Was looking at something similar recently..
    >> > Netapp – not my first choice – have something, which spec wise looks
    >> > quite
    >> > nice
    >> >
    >> > Option 1 is the Nexsan E48 - 48x 4TB Drives - (192TBs into 4U - 4x 8Gbit
    >> > FC
    >> > Ports & 4x 1GBit iSCSI ports)
    >> >
    >> > Option 2 is the NetApp produced V2 box  60x 4TB Drives - (240TBs into 4U
    >> > 8x
    >> > 8GBit FC Ports)
    >> >
    >> > Option 2 is quite good.. Not bad price as well under £60K cheaper than
    >> > the
    >> > nexsan
    >> >
    >> > Matt
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > On 09/02/2013 03:05, "Brian Krusic" <brian@krusic.com> wrote:
    >> >
    >> > Hi,
    >> >
    >> > I'm finding 256TB raw storage in an 8U footprint as dense as possible
    >> > using
    >> > 3.5" drives.
    >> >
    >> > Has any one found something more dense?
    >> >
    >> > - Brian
    >> >
    >> > www.krusic.com<http://www.krusic.com>  <http://www.krusic.com>
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
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    From: Saker Klippsten <sakerk@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] dense storage footprint
    Date: 11 February 2013 22:47:13 GMT
    To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    Very similar to the open compute platform storage hardware. 30 Drives
    in 2U but the OC racks are not standard 19" which is how they get 30
    in 2u.

    http://www.opencompute.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Open_Compute_Project_Open_Vault_Storage_Specification_v0.7.pdf



    On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Jean-Francois Panisset
    <panisset@gmail.com> wrote:
    I'm not a big fan of "pullout" chassis: they tend to be overly deep
    and cause rack mounting nightmares, and I never trust the "cable
    management" arms to not rip out the power cord or fibre cables when
    I'm pulling out the unit. Replacing a failed drive is already
    sufficiently stressful (I always worry about pulling out the wrong
    drive, even with ID lights) without having to worry about pulling out
    the enclosure (and as someone mentioned, there's always the risk of
    tipping over the rack if it isn't sufficiently well bolted down).

    One exception is some Engenio / NetApp shelves I saw at a show last
    year: the drives are mounted on "cookie sheets" so you would pull out
    only one "sheet" of drives, not the whole thing, and the cable
    management looked robust. (searching around a bit) NetApp E5460:

    https://communities.netapp.com/videos/2036

    Cable management demo at 3:40. No idea what the pricing is like...

    JF


    On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Douglas Atkinson <doug63@gmail.com> wrote:
    Xyratex has a 5U 84 drive with 3.5" and 2.5" support.  SAS connected.

    Sent from my mobile device, please excuse spelling mistakes.

    Douglas Atkinson
    604-619-9430


    On 2013-02-11, at 9:41, Matt Benns <Matt.Benns@springstudios.com> wrote:

    Only thing with the e60 is it wont fit into a standard rack , to long...
    Matt


    On 11/02/2013 16:28, "Brian Krusic" <brian@krusic.com> wrote:

    What, 1/2 PB in 8U???


    - Brian

    www.krusic.com <http://www.krusic.com>




    On Feb 11, 2013, at 7:33 AM, Pete Smith wrote:

    480TB in 8U using Nexsan E60 and E60X.

    On 11 February 2013 13:58, Matt Benns <Matt.Benns@springstudios.com> wrote:

    Was looking at something similar recently..
    Netapp – not my first choice – have something, which spec wise looks quite
    nice

    Option 1 is the Nexsan E48 - 48x 4TB Drives - (192TBs into 4U - 4x 8Gbit FC
    Ports & 4x 1GBit iSCSI ports)

    Option 2 is the NetApp produced V2 box  60x 4TB Drives - (240TBs into 4U 8x
    8GBit FC Ports)

    Option 2 is quite good.. Not bad price as well under £60K cheaper than the
    nexsan

    Matt


    On 09/02/2013 03:05, "Brian Krusic" <brian@krusic.com> wrote:

    Hi,

    I'm finding 256TB raw storage in an 8U footprint as dense as possible using
    3.5" drives.

    Has any one found something more dense?

    - Brian

    www.krusic.com <http://www.krusic.com>  <http://www.krusic.com>





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    From: Dan Young <vfx.it.london@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] ghetto Flare
    Date: 11 February 2013 23:05:48 GMT
    To: "discuss@studiosysadmins.com" <discuss@studiosysadmins.com>
    Cc: "discuss@studiosysadmins.com" <discuss@studiosysadmins.com>
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    You cheap bastards - I've never seen it done. Would seriously recommend quadro board.

    Sent from my iPhone

    On Feb 11, 2013, at 8:39, Chris Hyman <chris@cyberdyne-services.com> wrote:

    Suspect yes as people have installed it on laptops before.

    If it will work correctly is a different question as the GeForce drivers may not have the calls which are available on Quadro/FX cards, but this is flare not flame so not too sure if the same calls will be made.


    Chris
    On 11 Feb 2013, at 13:21, Pete Smith wrote:

    Hi all

    We're building a ghetto Flare box. Internal RAID, 1GbE instead of 10GbE etc.

    Can we get away with a GeForce card over a Quadro?

    http://www.genarts.com/software/sapphire/autodesk hints that it might
    be possible ...

    --
    Pete Smith
    DevOp/System Administrator
    Realise Studio
    12/13 Poland Street, London W1F 8QB
    T. +44 (0)20 7165 9644

    realisestudio.com
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    From: Dan Young <vfx.it.london@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] Fwd:
    Date: 11 February 2013 23:07:43 GMT
    To: "discuss@studiosysadmins.com" <discuss@studiosysadmins.com>
    Cc: "discuss@studiosysadmins.com" <discuss@studiosysadmins.com>
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    Obligatory "hack the planet"

    Sent from my iPhone

    On Feb 11, 2013, at 16:16, John Burton <jburton@geckotemple.com> wrote:

    Just reminded me of what we at EACanada called the "MSN-Based IQ Test" in the mid-2000s, with the text "Hey, is this a picture of you?" and a link that would include your email address, which made it all the more tempting.  The number of people popping up from their cubicles and yelling "Nobody Click That!" was pretty hilarious.  Especially when it'd been an hour or two after a wave, and then that one guy who just got back from dodgeball league, and didn't know, clicked on the link, and triggered it all over again.

    JB

    On 2/11/2013 12:09 PM, Will Rosecrans wrote:
    Doing it this way is probably enough of an impersonation to fool a lot of
    "general audiences," but the person being imitated doesn't get bounces of
    undelivered mail, and people can't trivially reply to say "Yo dude, ur
    hacked."  Because of that, you don't get the email a few minutes later
    saying "DON'T CLICK THAT!  I DIDN'T SEND IT!."  So, the number of people
    you miss with the phishing due to bad impersonation may be balanced by the
    number of people you would lose from the hacked person noticing.


    --
    MPC LA

    Will Rosecrans | Engineer
    1437 4th Street, 4th Floor, Santa Monica, CA 90401
    310.526.5800   www.moving-picture.com <http://www.moving-picture.com/>






    In a message from 2/10/13 7:32 PM, "John Burton" <jburton@geckotemple.com>
    wrote:

    I've also noticed more recent instances in which the cosmetic name is
    someone I know, but address is unrelated. Like make the contact list was
    scooped, but that's it, and is being sent from other accounts.
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    From: Rob LaRose <rlarose@rockpaperscissors.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] Deploying your Adobe Cloud Team Installs
    Date: 11 February 2013 23:15:20 GMT
    To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com



    OY-freaking-vey.  Individual sign-ins per user/session?  REALLY?

    --Rob


    rob larose | engineer | rock paper scissors | 212-255-6446 | www.rockpaperscissors.com

    On Feb 11, 2013, at 4:35 PM, Jean-Francois Panisset wrote:

    I just read this document quickly, but this seems to make things even
    more difficult than before. Whoever wrote something like:

    "On the Sign In Required screen the Adobe ID used to package the CS6
    software will be displayed. It is important to provide instructions to
    the users to select Not Your Adobe ID.
    Now the user will be able to sign in with their Adobe ID that is
    associated with the Creative Cloud for
    teams membership on the Sign In screen.
    Note:  The optimal sequence/timing of this workflow and the related
    process of sending out
    invitations via the Creative Cloud Admin Console depends on the
    schedule and communication about
    the deployment as well as the overall rollout plan of the Creative
    Cloud in the organization."

    has clearly never dealt with user support issues and software
    deployment at scale, or is having quite a laugh right now. This also
    seems to assume that workstations are assigned to specific users, and
    that the specific copy of CS6 on a specific workstation needs to be
    licensed to a specific user.

    JF



    On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Brad Helmink <brad@motionmedia.com> wrote:
    FYI...Adobe has released a pdf today that provides an overview of the
    workflow, tools and additional docs available for IT admins to help with
    deploying and updating the applications of the Creative Cloud utilizing
    their existing infrastructure.

    This has been a huge headache previously for select clients of ours so I
    thought you might be interested in this...

    http://www.motionmedia.com/v/vspfiles/assets/pdf/adobe/CCT_IT_Deployment_Guide.pdf

    Thanks,

    Brad Helmink

    Motion Media, LLC

    p: 310-450-4000 x204

    f: 310-450-4444

    www.motionmedia.com



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    From: Wayne Chang <wcx000@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] Deploying your Adobe Cloud Team Installs
    Date: 11 February 2013 23:16:46 GMT
    To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    OY-freaking-vey.  Individual sign-ins per user/session?  REALLY?


    i thought avoiding individual sign-ins was the whole point of Team Cloud.




    From: Rob LaRose <rlarose@rockpaperscissors.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] Deploying your Adobe Cloud Team Installs
    Date: 11 February 2013 23:21:58 GMT
    To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com



    I envisioned activating installations w/ the master key (check out a license)

    ..which would contact license.adobe.com every time it launches to make sure it hasn't been revoked.

    If it doesn't contact license.adobe.com for 30 days, it stops working (staying off the grid does not make you safe).

    To get the seat back, I can "de-activate" from the workstation itself (check-in) 

    ..or via license.adobe.com (revoke)

    --Rob



    rob larose | engineer | rock paper scissors | 212-255-6446 | www.rockpaperscissors.com

    On Feb 11, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Wayne Chang wrote:

    OY-freaking-vey.  Individual sign-ins per user/session?  REALLY?


    i thought avoiding individual sign-ins was the whole point of Team Cloud.
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    From: <craig@scorchedice.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] Deploying your Adobe Cloud Team Installs
    Date: 11 February 2013 23:26:36 GMT
    To: "discuss@studiosysadmins.com" <discuss@studiosysadmins.com>
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    I believe there are other things that will go along with each individual sign in... layout preferences, keyboard mapping etc. it will also allow system admins to track individual usage which might be handy for bigger shops.. no?
     
    Regards,

    Craig Van Horne



    From: Rob LaRose <rlarose@rockpaperscissors.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] Deploying your Adobe Cloud Team Installs
    Date: 12 February 2013 00:01:25 GMT
    To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com



    I guess so… tracking people within my group would be fine I suppose, but having everybody using their own individual Adobe ID which is out of my control seems messy.

    --Rob



    rob larose | engineer | rock paper scissors | 212-255-6446 | www.rockpaperscissors.com

    On Feb 11, 2013, at 6:26 PM, <craig@scorchedice.com> wrote:

    I believe there are other things that will go along with each individual sign in... layout preferences, keyboard mapping etc. it will also allow system admins to track individual usage which might be handy for bigger shops.. no?
     
    Regards,

    Craig Van Horne
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    From: <craig@scorchedice.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] Deploying your Adobe Cloud Team Installs
    Date: 12 February 2013 00:06:52 GMT
    To: "discuss@studiosysadmins.com" <discuss@studiosysadmins.com>
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    I think the individual ID’s are within your control as a sys admin.. you can revoke an individuals access via the admin mechanisms (what those look like I don’t know yet) but from what I understand the individual ID’s are basically granted at the behest of the license owner (the studio) and can be activated or deactivated as needed (hiring, firing) so while you might have a need for only 50 concurrent seats, and have 150 artists working non-concurrently you still only pay for the 50 and manage all the logins at the studio level.
     
    At least that is my understanding right now... that would also allow for freelancers to be given and ID for working off-site on a project then revoke the ID once the project wraps or the guy gets fired for not doing the work....
     
    Regards,

    Craig Van Horne, PrEditor
    Producer/Editor
    Scorched Ice Digital
    403-510-8606
    www.scorchedice.com
    blog.scorchedice.com
     
    From: Rob LaRose
    Sent: ?February? ?11?, ?2013 ?5?:?01? ?PM
    To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] Deploying your Adobe Cloud Team Installs
     

    I guess so… tracking people within my group would be fine I suppose, but having everybody using their own individual Adobe ID which is out of my control seems messy.

    --Rob



    rob larose | engineer | rock paper scissors | 212-255-6446 | www.rockpaperscissors.com

    On Feb 11, 2013, at 6:26 PM, <craig@scorchedice.com> wrote:

    I believe there are other things that will go along with each individual sign in... layout preferences, keyboard mapping etc. it will also allow system admins to track individual usage which might be handy for bigger shops.. no?
     
    Regards,

    Craig Van Horne
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    From: Jean-Francois Panisset <panisset@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] Deploying your Adobe Cloud Team Installs
    Date: 12 February 2013 00:31:56 GMT
    To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    I dream of systems folks from various facilities coming together to
    create a standard spec that says "this is how you shall structure the
    systems component of your app (licensing, filesystem layout,
    preferences...)" and hold a firm "we won't buy your app if you don't
    adhere to this spec" line.

    Won't happen of course, and I guess this is a pretty boring dream to have...

    JF

    On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 3:26 PM,  <craig@scorchedice.com> wrote:
    I believe there are other things that will go along with each individual
    sign in... layout preferences, keyboard mapping etc. it will also allow
    system admins to track individual usage which might be handy for bigger
    shops.. no?

    Regards,

    Craig Van Horne

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    From: Rob LaRose <rlarose@rockpaperscissors.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] Deploying your Adobe Cloud Team Installs
    Date: 12 February 2013 00:37:21 GMT
    To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com



    Puts me in mind of It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World:

    "It was a nice dream. Lasted almost five minutes."

    --Rob



    rob larose | engineer | rock paper scissors | 212-255-6446 | www.rockpaperscissors.com

    On Feb 11, 2013, at 7:31 PM, Jean-Francois Panisset wrote:

    I dream of systems folks from various facilities coming together to
    create a standard spec that says "this is how you shall structure the
    systems component of your app (licensing, filesystem layout,
    preferences...)" and hold a firm "we won't buy your app if you don't
    adhere to this spec" line.

    Won't happen of course, and I guess this is a pretty boring dream to have...

    JF

    On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 3:26 PM,  <craig@scorchedice.com> wrote:
    I believe there are other things that will go along with each individual
    sign in... layout preferences, keyboard mapping etc. it will also allow
    system admins to track individual usage which might be handy for bigger
    shops.. no?

    Regards,

    Craig Van Horne

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    From: Nick Allevato <nick@weareroyale.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] Deploying your Adobe Cloud Team Installs
    Date: 12 February 2013 00:49:48 GMT
    To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    +1 will join must happen

    software companies extending their reach into our computing environments must stop 

    -nick

    <crown.jpg>

    Nick Allevato | Information Technology | 
     
    Cell: +1.661.645.3507 
    Office: +1.323.337.9990

    On Feb 11, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Jean-Francois Panisset wrote:

    I dream of systems folks from various facilities coming together to
    create a standard spec that says "this is how you shall structure the
    systems component of your app (licensing, filesystem layout,
    preferences...)" and hold a firm "we won't buy your app if you don't
    adhere to this spec" line.

    Won't happen of course, and I guess this is a pretty boring dream to have...

    JF

    On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 3:26 PM,  <craig@scorchedice.com> wrote:
    I believe there are other things that will go along with each individual
    sign in... layout preferences, keyboard mapping etc. it will also allow
    system admins to track individual usage which might be handy for bigger
    shops.. no?

    Regards,

    Craig Van Horne

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    From: Wayne Chang <wcx000@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] Deploying your Adobe Cloud Team Installs
    Date: 12 February 2013 00:58:11 GMT
    To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    i like that motif. Hope it doesn't end up overdesigned and too
    heavyweight; the X factor would kill the WINDOWS of opportunity.


    On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Nick Allevato <nick@weareroyale.com> wrote:

    +1 will join must happen

    software companies extending their reach into our computing environments
    must stop

    -nick



    Nick Allevato | Information Technology |
    Royale |

    Cell: +1.661.645.3507
    |
    Office: +1.323.337.9990

    On Feb 11, 2013, at 4:31 PM, Jean-Francois Panisset wrote:

    I dream of systems folks from various facilities coming together to
    create a standard spec that says "this is how you shall structure the
    systems component of your app (licensing, filesystem layout,
    preferences...)" and hold a firm "we won't buy your app if you don't
    adhere to this spec" line.

    Won't happen of course, and I guess this is a pretty boring dream to
    have...

    JF

    On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 3:26 PM,  <craig@scorchedice.com> wrote:

    I believe there are other things that will go along with each individual

    sign in... layout preferences, keyboard mapping etc. it will also allow

    system admins to track individual usage which might be handy for bigger

    shops.. no?


    Regards,


    Craig Van Horne


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    From: Pete Smith <pete@realisestudio.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] ghetto Flare
    Date: 12 February 2013 06:42:07 GMT
    To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    Price of 690 and 4000 are similar. I'm thinking this is not the component to cheap out on.

    Thanks for your help guys.

    On 11 Feb 2013 23:11, "Dan Young" <vfx.it.london@gmail.com> wrote:
    You cheap bastards - I've never seen it done. Would seriously recommend quadro board.

    Sent from my iPhone

    On Feb 11, 2013, at 8:39, Chris Hyman <chris@cyberdyne-services.com> wrote:

    > Suspect yes as people have installed it on laptops before.
    >
    > If it will work correctly is a different question as the GeForce drivers may not have the calls which are available on Quadro/FX cards, but this is flare not flame so not too sure if the same calls will be made.
    >
    >
    > Chris
    > On 11 Feb 2013, at 13:21, Pete Smith wrote:
    >
    >> Hi all
    >>
    >> We're building a ghetto Flare box. Internal RAID, 1GbE instead of 10GbE etc.
    >>
    >> Can we get away with a GeForce card over a Quadro?
    >>
    >> http://www.genarts.com/software/sapphire/autodesk hints that it might
    >> be possible ...
    >>
    >> --
    >> Pete Smith
    >> DevOp/System Administrator
    >> Realise Studio
    >> 12/13 Poland Street, London W1F 8QB
    >> T. +44 (0)20 7165 9644
    >>
    >> realisestudio.com
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    From: Don Craig <dmc@arboretumstudios.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] Your preferred Linux Desktop Environment
    Date: 12 February 2013 07:29:46 GMT
    To: Discuss@StudioSysAdmins.com
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    Always a sucker for Yet Another Window Manager, at Jimmy's suggestion I tried cinnamon - which wmctrl -m reports as Mutter. While offering less impairments than Compiz, it still doesn't play video properly in either 2D or 3D versions. The 3D version has tearing of video in a window, and the 2D version every so often fails to deliver large amounts of a frame. This is possibly an interaction with mplayer, but that's what I'm using, and the problem does not arise with metacity 2D. Anyway, thanks for the suggestion, but I'd better get back to actual work.

    Don Craig





    From: Jimmy Christensen <lithorus@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] Your preferred Linux Desktop Environment
    Date: 12 February 2013 13:15:19 GMT
    To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    Just curious, is it plain mplayer or something like smplayer? Which video output module are you using?

    On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Don Craig <dmc@arboretumstudios.com> wrote:
    Always a sucker for Yet Another Window Manager, at Jimmy's suggestion I tried cinnamon - which wmctrl -m reports as Mutter. While offering less impairments than Compiz, it still doesn't play video properly in either 2D or 3D versions. The 3D version has tearing of video in a window, and the 2D version every so often fails to deliver large amounts of a frame. This is possibly an interaction with mplayer, but that's what I'm using, and the problem does not arise with metacity 2D. Anyway, thanks for the suggestion, but I'd better get back to actual work.


    Don Craig

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    From: John Hickson <John.Hickson@arcproductions.com>
    Subject: [SSA-Discuss] StudioSysAdmins Meeting - Toronto (2013-02-21)
    Date: 12 February 2013 14:13:43 GMT
    To: "discuss@studiosysadmins.com" <discuss@studiosysadmins.com>
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    For all people that will be in Toronto next Thursday evening…

     

    -john

     

    Feed: StudioSysAdmins Events
    Posted on: Thursday, February 07, 2013 9:56 AM
    Author: StudioSysAdmins Events
    Subject: StudioSysAdmins Toronto (2013-02-21)

     

    Time/Place:

    When & Where:

     

    Thursday February 21st, 2013

     

     

     

    6:00PM to 9:00PM

     

     

     

     

     

    Location:

     

    Arc Productions

     

     

     

    230 Richmond Street East

     

     

     

     

     

    Parking:

     

    Street parking is available.

     

     

     

     

     

    Other:

     

    Pizza and drinks provided during meeting!

     

     

     

    Then to the pub aftwards for drinks.

     

     

    Agenda:

    6:00PM

     

    People can mingle - pizza & drinks

     

     

     

    6:30PM

     

    Welcome and Quick Introductions

     

     

    6:40PM

     

    Presentation by Avere Systems

     

     

    7:30PM

     

    Presentation by Scalar Decisions

     

     

    8:10PM

     

    Q&A + Group Discussion

     

     

    8:30PM

     

    StudioSysAdmins Update

     

     

    9:00PM

     

    Pub for Beer.

     

     

     

    Topics:

    “The Avere FXT Edge filer: Cut Costs and Improve Performance for Rendering & Transcoding”
    presented by: Aaron Wetherold - Senior System Engineer @ Avere Systems

    Avere will be talking about it's latest 3.0 product release and explain the different use cases on how other studios are using Avere.   Most recently, Avere helped Image Engine, a VFX company, complete the visual effects for Zero Dark Thirty (Read the Press Release).


    About Avere Systems:
    Avere Systems brings to market NAS optimization products that scale performance and capacity separately and take advantage of new storage media using dynamic tiering. Avere’s appliances allow organizations to achieve unlimited performance scaling, free applications from the confines of the data center by eliminating latency, and cut storage costs by more than 50%.

     

    “Scalar RenderCloud Toronto - Update”
    presented by: John Morch - Account Manager @ Scalar Decisions

    Review the status of RenderCloud Toronto and the RenderCloud Toronto Network update. Looking to confirm key members of the Toronto Studio Group (TSG)


    About Scalar Decisions:
    Scalar is the Canadian leader in delivering innovative IT solutions focused on the data centre. Our practice focus is around virtualization & cloud, data management, networks and security. Our deliverables are built upon designing world class systems for our clients, deployment through services, validation of those designs and finally the ongoing monitoring and management of those systems.


    View article...




    From: Dan Young <vfx.it.london@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] ghetto Flare
    Date: 12 February 2013 14:27:43 GMT
    To: "discuss@studiosysadmins.com" <discuss@studiosysadmins.com>
    Cc: "discuss@studiosysadmins.com" <discuss@studiosysadmins.com>
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    Good call. 

    Sent from my iPhone

    On Feb 12, 2013, at 1:42, Pete Smith <pete@realisestudio.com> wrote:

    Price of 690 and 4000 are similar. I'm thinking this is not the component to cheap out on.

    Thanks for your help guys.

    On 11 Feb 2013 23:11, "Dan Young" <vfx.it.london@gmail.com> wrote:
    You cheap bastards - I've never seen it done. Would seriously recommend quadro board.

    Sent from my iPhone

    On Feb 11, 2013, at 8:39, Chris Hyman <chris@cyberdyne-services.com> wrote:

    > Suspect yes as people have installed it on laptops before.
    >
    > If it will work correctly is a different question as the GeForce drivers may not have the calls which are available on Quadro/FX cards, but this is flare not flame so not too sure if the same calls will be made.
    >
    >
    > Chris
    > On 11 Feb 2013, at 13:21, Pete Smith wrote:
    >
    >> Hi all
    >>
    >> We're building a ghetto Flare box. Internal RAID, 1GbE instead of 10GbE etc.
    >>
    >> Can we get away with a GeForce card over a Quadro?
    >>
    >> http://www.genarts.com/software/sapphire/autodesk hints that it might
    >> be possible ...
    >>
    >> --
    >> Pete Smith
    >> DevOp/System Administrator
    >> Realise Studio
    >> 12/13 Poland Street, London W1F 8QB
    >> T. +44 (0)20 7165 9644
    >>
    >> realisestudio.com
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    From: Don Craig <dmc@arboretumstudios.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] Your preferred Linux Desktop Environment
    Date: 12 February 2013 15:30:11 GMT
    To: Discuss@StudioSysAdmins.com
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    Let me entertain you:
    mplayer -v
    MPlayer svn r34540 (Ubuntu), built with gcc-4.7 (C) 2000-2012 MPlayer Team
    CPU vendor name: GenuineIntel  max cpuid level: 13
    CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3930K CPU @ 3.20GHz (Family: 6, Model: 45, Stepping: 7)
    extended cpuid-level: 8
    extended cache-info: 16801856
    Detected cache-line size is 64 bytes
    CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNowExt: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1 SSSE3: 1
    Compiled with runtime CPU detection.
    get_path('codecs.conf') -> '/home/dmc/.mplayer/codecs.conf'
    Reading optional codecs config file /home/dmc/.mplayer/codecs.conf: No such file or directory
    Reading optional codecs config file /etc/mplayer/codecs.conf: No such file or directory
    Using built-in default codecs.conf.
    init_freetype
    Using MMX (with tiny bit MMX2) Optimized OnScreenDisplay
    get_path('fonts') -> '/home/dmc/.mplayer/fonts'
    Usage:   mplayer [options] [url|path/]filename

    No audio, content is 1920 x 1080p -demuxer y4m 4:2:0 -fps 60 -vo vdpau,
    playback is from a 6 gbit / sec SATA Samsung 512 GB 840 Pro SSD.

    The above is the current ubuntu 12.10 version of mplayer - I've also tried
    building it myself which is not for the faint of heart and ends up with less
    codecs.  I've tried using the smplayer front end which makes no
    difference (you'd expect that to only make things worse).

    The nvidia driver is 313.09 (beta) (310.19 acts the same), and the X server
    version number is 11.0 and the vendor version is 1.13.0. OpenGL sync
    to VBlank and Allow Flipping are enabled. Cards are Qty. 3 GTX 690s with 1536 cuda
    cores, 2GB memory, and a VBIOS version of 80.04.1e.00.14, interfaced via
    PCI Express v3.0 16 lanes x 1 and 8 lanes x 2. Power supply is 1600 Watts (ho ho).

    I've also tried fullscreen playback instead of windowed, and assorted
    window managers. The only thing that worked was Metacity 2D (the
    3D has tearing in the window). For this application (high frame rate)
    I'm serious about the 60 fps. When it's working it looks like it has enough
    headroom to get to about 80 fps. It's quite possible that something like
    Tweak Software's RV would not have the same interactions that
    mplayer does, but so far I've not spent the $300 to find out.

    Anyway, my "in the weeds" detector has gone off, and I fear we have
    wandered from the topic. My takeaway would be that there are many, many
    different available window managers, building from source is to be avoided
    for complexity reasons, and most of them value their own usage of system
    resources over that of the applications. Window manager selection debates
    appear to be highly theological in nature - cinnamon (Mutter) is Lutheranism
    to Gnome 2.0's (Metacity) atheism, and heaven forbid Gnome 3.0's (compiz)
    Catholicism. (I trust that last insulted somebody ;^])

    cheers,
    Don Craig








    From: Cal Sawyer <cal-s@blue-bolt.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] dense storage footprint
    Date: 12 February 2013 15:37:15 GMT
    To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    Slashdot sayeth:

    "Specifically, the rack is 600 mm wide (versus the 482.6 mm of a 19-inch
    rack), with the chassis guidelines calling for a width of 537 mm. All
    told, that’s slightly wider than the 580 mm used by the Western Electric
    or ETSI rack."

    So, not 19" (ok) and not 23"WE/580mm ETSI (uh .. ok).  It's something
    else entirely.  How "Open" is that? :)

    - cal sawyer

    On 11/02/13 22:47, Saker Klippsten wrote:
    Very similar to the open compute platform storage hardware. 30 Drives
    in 2U but the OC racks are not standard 19" which is how they get 30
    in 2u.

    http://www.opencompute.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Open_Compute_Project_Open_Vault_Storage_Specification_v0.7.pdf





    From: Saker Klippsten <sakerk@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] dense storage footprint
    Date: 12 February 2013 15:45:16 GMT
    To: "discuss@studiosysadmins.com" <discuss@studiosysadmins.com>
    Cc: "discuss@studiosysadmins.com" <discuss@studiosysadmins.com>
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    It's Wide Open
    : )


    Sent from my Sprint iPhone

    On Feb 12, 2013, at 7:37 AM, Cal Sawyer <cal-s@blue-bolt.com> wrote:

    Slashdot sayeth:

    "Specifically, the rack is 600 mm wide (versus the 482.6 mm of a 19-inch
    rack), with the chassis guidelines calling for a width of 537 mm. All
    told, that’s slightly wider than the 580 mm used by the Western Electric
    or ETSI rack."

    So, not 19" (ok) and not 23"WE/580mm ETSI (uh .. ok).  It's something
    else entirely.  How "Open" is that? :)

    - cal sawyer

    On 11/02/13 22:47, Saker Klippsten wrote:
    Very similar to the open compute platform storage hardware. 30 Drives
    in 2U but the OC racks are not standard 19" which is how they get 30
    in 2u.

    http://www.opencompute.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Open_Compute_Project_Open_Vault_Storage_Specification_v0.7.pdf
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    From: Shane McEwan <shane@mcewan.id.au>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] Your preferred Linux Desktop Environment
    Date: 12 February 2013 15:56:26 GMT
    To: studiosysadmins-discuss@studiosysadmins.com
    Reply-To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com


    On 12/02/13 15:30, Don Craig wrote:
    Anyway, my "in the weeds" detector has gone off, and I fear we have
    wandered from the topic. My takeaway would be that there are many, many
    different available window managers, building from source is to be avoided
    for complexity reasons, and most of them value their own usage of system
    resources over that of the applications. Window manager selection debates
    appear to be highly theological in nature - cinnamon (Mutter) is
    Lutheranism
    to Gnome 2.0's (Metacity) atheism, and heaven forbid Gnome 3.0's (compiz)
    Catholicism. (I trust that last insulted somebody ;^])

    Did you try turning off compositing in the compositing window managers? You lose your bells and whistles but I have a feeling that as soon as you ask your window manager to take bitmaps of your various windows so it can make them transparent or have glowy borders you're gonna lose performance.

    Shane.





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    Got turned onto this today,
    Anyone out there playing with this?
    From what I read, they got around GPU based renderers issue with scene size and VRAM by allowing for system RAM to be utilized for scene datasets.

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    By Saker Klippsten - Before I submit a ticket to The Foundry I need a sanity check. We use the FOUNDRY_LICENSE_FILE system variable and we specify two servers separated by a ";" per their installation instructions. We do this to share the licenses between facilities. ( The foundry allows for this ). If one server is tapped out the next server will issue licenses but I am running into an odd behavior. Variable name: FOUNDRY_LICENSE_FILE Variable value: siteA;siteB 1. User Starts up Nuke and attempts to pull a floating lic from Site A because siteA is listed first as the value 2. User gets denied a license from Site A 3. User Gets license from siteB and gets a license. 4. User decides to open another instance of Nuke. a) If the user presses control-n to open another instance, nuke will open - using the current license server and therefore not pull a new license. b) if the user uses the desktop shortcut to open another instance of nuke and there is a license available on siteA Nuke will pull another license. Nuke opens but is actually pulling another license from Site A because a license was now available on siteA. Now the user is pulling two licenses. One from Site A and one from Site B. Instead of just the initial License from Site B. What this tells me is two things. 1. When starting another instance of Nuke via the shortcut. Nuke ( client side) does not look where it is currently pulling a license from and attempt to communicate with that server. If that were the case the server would say User! you have a license issued already, go ahead and open another instance of nuke free of charge the same way it does if you press control-n Instead Nuke just round robins through the site Variables specified and if there happens to be a license free the next time you go to open another instance of Nuke it will pull it. To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe

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    By Donn Gurule -

    Stephen,

    There are several ways to do this, but the drawer style drive bays have been known to have issues as far as showing up on a controller storage manager. Some of those chassis were even discontinued because of drives failing to show up. ?I feel much more comfortable with using 3.5" drives that are front and back inserted. ?It may not be as dense as can be, but it is the best balance of density and reliability you can get.

    You can cheaply and safely manage petabytes of storage using several RAID controller cards, each linked up to a server with multiple PCI-Express slots. ?

    There are two ways to do this:

    With higher performance
    You can have a server with 24 bays, linked to a controller card for high performance. ?We have seen with our 10GbBaseT about 950MB/s performance, and you can team those ports as well for even faster performance.

    That same server can host other controller cards with external ports, and you can use 45-bay JBOD chassis. ?That would give 180TB of reasonably good performance. ?Each controller can daisy chain 5 180TB JBODs. ?That's 900TB per controller.

    With high capacity
    Get a 2U server with multiple PCI-Express slots, add controllers, then add JBODs. ?These JBODs are also daisy chainable.

    That same server can host other controller cards with external ports, and you can use 45-bay JBOD chassis. ?That would give 180TB of reasonably good performance. ?Each controller can daisy chain 5 180TB JBODs. ?That's 900TB per controller. ?

    Both of these options are reliable and much cheaper than with other solutions. ?You can get an 180TB JBOD/SAS for around $30K, and a high performance 96TB SAS server for under $30K as well, depending on options.

    I have several customers doing this and they are very happy with the outcome.

    -Donn.
    415 613-9792

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    From:?Stephen Willey <Stephen.Willey@primefocusworld.com>
    To:?"discuss@studiosysadmins.com" <discuss@studiosysadmins.com>
    Cc:?
    Date:?Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:50:56 +0000
    Subject:?Re: [SSA-Discuss] dense storage footprint
    Bit late throwing in here, but you can but an IBM DS3700 in 4U in a standard rack. ?60 drives in 5 drawers of 12.
    http://www-31.ibm.com/support/techdocs/cn/faqhtmlfaq/images/2611202E08003-2.gif

    It's also marketed by Dell and NetApp (I believe NetApp actually build it but not sure).

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    From:?Don Craig <dmc@arboretumstudios.com>
    To:?Discuss@StudioSysAdmins.com
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    Date:?Tue, 12 Feb 2013 11:18:28 -0500
    Subject:?Re: [SSA-Discuss] Your preferred Linux Desktop Environment
    ?Did you try turning off compositing in the compositing window managers? You lose your bells and whistles but I have a feeling that as soon as you ask your window manager to take bitmaps of your various windows so it can make them transparent or have glowy borders you're gonna lose performance. Shane.

    No - although (quickly googling to become an instant expert in this area) since Mutter (doesn't work smoothly) is supposed to be Metacity (window manager and does work smoothly) plus Clutter (compositing) it seems reasonable to assume that Clutter/compositing is the problem. Obviously many uses of window managers don't really care about accurate frame rates, but some do. Googling shows a 2010 patch to remove the ability to turn off compositing in Mutter on the grounds that if you wanted that you would run Metacity.

    cheers,
    Don Craig







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    From:?Greg Ercolano <erco_mlist@seriss.com>
    To:?discuss@studiosysadmins.com
    Cc:?
    Date:?Tue, 12 Feb 2013 08:45:08 -0800
    Subject:?Re: [SSA-Discuss] Deploying your Adobe Cloud Team Installs
    A good starting point would be a 'recommended practices' type of
    document that sysadmins could somewhat agree on, and then float that
    to the vendors.

    I have such a document myself on recommended practices for
    command line tools. It's surprisingly long, but goes into
    details I've seen software vendors go wrong on:
    http://seriss.com/people/erco/tmp/good-command-line-renderer-practices.txt

    TLDR, hitting items like:

    ? ? ? ? o Executable's filenames should not contain spaces (!)
    ? ? ? ? o Return proper exit codes; 0=success, >0=fail
    ? ? ? ? o When you can't open a file, print the pathname /and/ OS error (not just "can't open file")
    ? ? ? ? o Avoid negative exit codes
    ? ? ? ? o ..etc..

    I could see sysadmins doing something similar.. things like:

    ? ? ? ? o Scriptable software installation
    ? ? ? ? o Instructions for installing on a network drive
    ? ? ? ? o How user preferences should work and where they should be saved (win/mac/linux)
    ? ? ? ? o etc..

    Then see if you can get general agreement from a bunch of admins,
    and use voting to resolve disagreements. google docs is a good way
    to manage such a document; this way many folks can edit at once,
    and one person can 'manage' the document.

    On 02/11/13 16:31, Jean-Francois Panisset wrote:
    > I dream of systems folks from various facilities coming together to
    > create a standard spec that says "this is how you shall structure the
    > systems component of your app (licensing, filesystem layout,
    > preferences...)" and hold a firm "we won't buy your app if you don't
    > adhere to this spec" line.
    >
    > Won't happen of course, and I guess this is a pretty boring dream to have...





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    From:?Stephen Willey <Stephen.Willey@primefocusworld.com>
    To:?"discuss@studiosysadmins.com" <discuss@studiosysadmins.com>
    Cc:?
    Date:?Tue, 12 Feb 2013 16:50:56 +0000
    Subject:?Re: [SSA-Discuss] dense storage footprint
    Bit late throwing in here, but you can but an IBM DS3700 in 4U in a standard rack. ?60 drives in 5 drawers of 12.
    http://www-31.ibm.com/support/techdocs/cn/faqhtmlfaq/images/2611202E08003-2.gif

    It's also marketed by Dell and NetApp (I believe NetApp actually build it but not sure).

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    ________________________________________
    From: studiosysadmins-discuss-bounces@studiosysadmins.com [studiosysadmins-discuss-bounces@studiosysadmins.com] on behalf of Cal Sawyer [cal-s@blue-bolt.com]
    Sent: 12 February 2013 15:37
    To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] dense storage footprint

    Slashdot sayeth:

    "Specifically, the rack is 600 mm wide (versus the 482.6 mm of a 19-inch
    rack), with the chassis guidelines calling for a width of 537 mm. All
    told, that?s slightly wider than the 580 mm used by the Western Electric
    or ETSI rack."

    So, not 19" (ok) and not 23"WE/580mm ETSI (uh .. ok). ?It's something
    else entirely. ?How "Open" is that? :)

    - cal sawyer

    On 11/02/13 22:47, Saker Klippsten wrote:
    > Very similar to the open compute platform storage hardware. 30 Drives
    > in 2U but the OC racks are not standard 19" which is how they get 30
    > in 2u.
    >
    > http://www.opencompute.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Open_Compute_Project_Open_Vault_Storage_Specification_v0.7.pdf
    >
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    From:?greg whynott <greg.whynott@gmail.com>
    To:?"discuss@studiosysadmins.com" <discuss@studiosysadmins.com>
    Cc:?
    Date:?Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:03:18 -0500
    Subject:?Re: [SSA-Discuss] dense storage footprint
    IBM re-brands NetApp gear,?? or they use to,? I think that deal is done now... ?? Wasn't aware Dell did,? and can't understand why as they have their own kit,? including Compellent gear which they acquired a while back.

    -g



    On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Stephen Willey <Stephen.Willey@primefocusworld.com> wrote:
    Bit late throwing in here, but you can but an IBM DS3700 in 4U in a standard rack. ?60 drives in 5 drawers of 12.
    http://www-31.ibm.com/support/techdocs/cn/faqhtmlfaq/images/2611202E08003-2.gif

    It's also marketed by Dell and NetApp (I believe NetApp actually build it but not sure).

    --
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    T: +44 794 472 0543 | +1 604 367 5147
    E: stephen.willey@primefocusworld.com
    A: 2-4 Bucknall Street, London WC2H 8LA

    ________________________________________
    From: studiosysadmins-discuss-bounces@studiosysadmins.com [studiosysadmins-discuss-bounces@studiosysadmins.com] on behalf of Cal Sawyer [cal-s@blue-bolt.com]
    Sent: 12 February 2013 15:37
    To: discuss@studiosysadmins.com
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] dense storage footprint

    Slashdot sayeth:

    "Specifically, the rack is 600 mm wide (versus the 482.6 mm of a 19-inch
    rack), with the chassis guidelines calling for a width of 537 mm. All
    told, that?s slightly wider than the 580 mm used by the Western Electric
    or ETSI rack."

    So, not 19" (ok) and not 23"WE/580mm ETSI (uh .. ok). ?It's something
    else entirely. ?How "Open" is that? :)

    - cal sawyer

    On 11/02/13 22:47, Saker Klippsten wrote:
    > Very similar to the open compute platform storage hardware. 30 Drives
    > in 2U but the OC racks are not standard 19" which is how they get 30
    > in 2u.
    >
    > http://www.opencompute.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Open_Compute_Project_Open_Vault_Storage_Specification_v0.7.pdf
    >
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