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  • 12/16/13--12:45: Short term SAN rental
  • Short term SAN rental
    posted by Kevin Bass on Dec. 16, 2013, 3:45 p.m. (1 day ago)
    Anyone know of vendors who would rent a SAN for short term Final Cut Pro job in LA? -Kevin B. To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe
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    Anyone know of vendors who would rent a SAN for short term Final Cut Pro job in LA? -Kevin B. To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe

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  • 12/16/13--14:00: Re: [SSA-Discuss]
  • Re: [SSA-Discuss]
    posted by Matt Provost on Dec. 16, 2013, 5 p.m. (1 day ago)
    It's not 1U but I used to keep one of these in the datacentre, it had a great keyboard! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VT220 On Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 14:05, Rob LaRose wrote: >> Yeah, us too. Which is why I had the link in my clipboard. >> And to add to JF's question -- does anybody know a monitor/keyboard/trackpad 1U > dealybob that doesn't have the little half-sized spacebar? SOME left-brained > people have a hard time spacing with their left thumbs... >> --Rob >>>> rob larose | engineer | rock paper scissors | 212-255-6446 | > www.rockpaperscissors.com >> **NOTE OUR NEW STREET ADDRESS: 245 Fifth Ave, 23rd Fl, New York, NY 10016. > Our billing and remittance stays the same >> On Dec 16, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Klaus Steden wrote: >>>> Ironically enough, we could use one of those as one of ours is showing > signs of being 5+ years old ... much better pricing than the Middle > Atlantic ones. >> cheers, > Klaus >>> From: Rob LaRose [rlarose@rockpaperscissors.com] > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 9:11 AM > To: studiosysadmins-discuss@studiosysadmins.com > Subject: [SSA-Discuss] At last, our long international nightmare is over... >>> Too many cooks working on curing cancer. Thank the good lord above that > someone has tackled the REAL PROBLEMS facing the world today: >> http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04 >&sku=A1310210&ST=pla&dgc=ST&cid=262075&lid=4742361&acd=1230980794501410 >>> rob larose | engineer | rock paper scissors | 212-255-6446 | > www.rockpaperscissors.com >> **NOTE OUR NEW STREET ADDRESS: 245 Fifth Ave, 23rd Fl, New York, NY 10016. > Our billing and remittance stays the same >> To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to > mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject= > unsubscribe >>> To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe
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    It's not 1U but I used to keep one of these in the datacentre, it had a great keyboard! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VT220 On Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 14:05, Rob LaRose wrote: >> Yeah, us too. Which is why I had the link in my clipboard. >> And to add to JF's question -- does anybody know a monitor/keyboard/trackpad 1U > dealybob that doesn't have the little half-sized spacebar? SOME left-brained > people have a hard time spacing with their left thumbs... >> --Rob >>>> rob larose | engineer | rock paper scissors | 212-255-6446 | > www.rockpaperscissors.com >> **NOTE OUR NEW STREET ADDRESS: 245 Fifth Ave, 23rd Fl, New York, NY 10016. > Our billing and remittance stays the same >> On Dec 16, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Klaus Steden wrote: >>>> Ironically enough, we could use one of those as one of ours is showing > signs of being 5+ years old ... much better pricing than the Middle > Atlantic ones. >> cheers, > Klaus >>> From: Rob LaRose [rlarose@rockpaperscissors.com] > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 9:11 AM > To: studiosysadmins-discuss@studiosysadmins.com > Subject: [SSA-Discuss] At last, our long international nightmare is over... >>> Too many cooks working on curing cancer. Thank the good lord above that > someone has tackled the REAL PROBLEMS facing the world today: >> http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04 >&sku=A1310210&ST=pla&dgc=ST&cid=262075&lid=4742361&acd=1230980794501410 >>> rob larose | engineer | rock paper scissors | 212-255-6446 | > www.rockpaperscissors.com >> **NOTE OUR NEW STREET ADDRESS: 245 Fifth Ave, 23rd Fl, New York, NY 10016. > Our billing and remittance stays the same >> To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to > mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject= > unsubscribe >>> To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe

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  • 12/17/13--02:30: Rack KVMs
  • Rack KVMs
    posted by Shane McEwan on Dec. 17, 2013, 5:30 a.m.
    I must be prehistoric as my first terminal was an ADM-3. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-3A) (The Unix shorthand of using the tilde (~) for your home directory came from the ADM-3 keyboard having the tilde on a key labelled "Home".) My second terminal was the HP2621A. (http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=242) After switching to a MS-DOS PC (running Telix and Procomm) I put the ADM-3 up on a shelf connected to our Unix server running 'top' all day so I could monitor the system. Good times. Shane. On 17/12/13 09:44, Chris Hyman wrote: > If that makes you officially old then I must be geriatric as I used a Wyse 55 as my Keyspan USB to Serial adapter died last week. >> You quickly forget that scrolling up does not work, nor did cntl S & cntl Q :-( >> Off to buy another Keyspan or 2. >>> Chris > On 16 Dec 2013, at 22:06, Klaus Steden wrote: >>>>> I had one of those years ago ... it made a great IRIX console. >>>> ... hmm. Am I officially old now? :-) >>>> cheers, >> Klaus >>>> ________________________________________ >> From: Matt Provost [mprovost@wetafx.co.nz] >> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 1:59 PM >> To: studiosysadmins-discuss@studiosysadmins.com >> Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] Rack KVMs (was: At last, our long international nightmare is over) >>>> It's not 1U but I used to keep one of these in the datacentre, it had a >> great keyboard! >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VT220 >>>> On Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 14:05, Rob LaRose wrote: >>>>>> Yeah, us too. Which is why I had the link in my clipboard. >>>>>> And to add to JF's question -- does anybody know a monitor/keyboard/trackpad 1U >>> dealybob that doesn't have the little half-sized spacebar? SOME left-brained >>> people have a hard time spacing with their left thumbs... >>>>>> --Rob >>>>>>>>>>>> rob larose | engineer | rock paper scissors | 212-255-6446 | >>> www.rockpaperscissors.com >>>>>> **NOTE OUR NEW STREET ADDRESS: 245 Fifth Ave, 23rd Fl, New York, NY 10016. >>> Our billing and remittance stays the same >>>>>> On Dec 16, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Klaus Steden wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Ironically enough, we could use one of those as one of ours is showing >>> signs of being 5+ years old ... much better pricing than the Middle >>> Atlantic ones. >>>>>> cheers, >>> Klaus >>>>>>>>> From: Rob LaRose [rlarose@rockpaperscissors.com] >>> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 9:11 AM >>> To: studiosysadmins-discuss@studiosysadmins.com >>> Subject: [SSA-Discuss] At last, our long international nightmare is over... >>>>>>>>> Too many cooks working on curing cancer. Thank the good lord above that >>> someone has tackled the REAL PROBLEMS facing the world today: >>>>>> http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04 >>>&sku=A1310210&ST=pla&dgc=ST&cid=262075&lid=4742361&acd=1230980794501410 >>>>>>>>> rob larose | engineer | rock paper scissors | 212-255-6446 | >>> www.rockpaperscissors.com >>>>>> **NOTE OUR NEW STREET ADDRESS: 245 Fifth Ave, 23rd Fl, New York, NY 10016. >>> Our billing and remittance stays the same >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to >>> mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject= >>> unsubscribe >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe >>>> To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe >> To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe >> To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe > To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe
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    I must be prehistoric as my first terminal was an ADM-3. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-3A) (The Unix shorthand of using the tilde (~) for your home directory came from the ADM-3 keyboard having the tilde on a key labelled "Home".) My second terminal was the HP2621A. (http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=242) After switching to a MS-DOS PC (running Telix and Procomm) I put the ADM-3 up on a shelf connected to our Unix server running 'top' all day so I could monitor the system. Good times. Shane. On 17/12/13 09:44, Chris Hyman wrote: > If that makes you officially old then I must be geriatric as I used a Wyse 55 as my Keyspan USB to Serial adapter died last week. >> You quickly forget that scrolling up does not work, nor did cntl S & cntl Q :-( >> Off to buy another Keyspan or 2. >>> Chris > On 16 Dec 2013, at 22:06, Klaus Steden wrote: >>>>> I had one of those years ago ... it made a great IRIX console. >>>> ... hmm. Am I officially old now? :-) >>>> cheers, >> Klaus >>>> ________________________________________ >> From: Matt Provost [mprovost@wetafx.co.nz] >> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 1:59 PM >> To: studiosysadmins-discuss@studiosysadmins.com >> Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] Rack KVMs (was: At last, our long international nightmare is over) >>>> It's not 1U but I used to keep one of these in the datacentre, it had a >> great keyboard! >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VT220 >>>> On Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 14:05, Rob LaRose wrote: >>>>>> Yeah, us too. Which is why I had the link in my clipboard. >>>>>> And to add to JF's question -- does anybody know a monitor/keyboard/trackpad 1U >>> dealybob that doesn't have the little half-sized spacebar? SOME left-brained >>> people have a hard time spacing with their left thumbs... >>>>>> --Rob >>>>>>>>>>>> rob larose | engineer | rock paper scissors | 212-255-6446 | >>> www.rockpaperscissors.com >>>>>> **NOTE OUR NEW STREET ADDRESS: 245 Fifth Ave, 23rd Fl, New York, NY 10016. >>> Our billing and remittance stays the same >>>>>> On Dec 16, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Klaus Steden wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Ironically enough, we could use one of those as one of ours is showing >>> signs of being 5+ years old ... much better pricing than the Middle >>> Atlantic ones. >>>>>> cheers, >>> Klaus >>>>>>>>> From: Rob LaRose [rlarose@rockpaperscissors.com] >>> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 9:11 AM >>> To: studiosysadmins-discuss@studiosysadmins.com >>> Subject: [SSA-Discuss] At last, our long international nightmare is over... >>>>>>>>> Too many cooks working on curing cancer. Thank the good lord above that >>> someone has tackled the REAL PROBLEMS facing the world today: >>>>>> http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04 >>>&sku=A1310210&ST=pla&dgc=ST&cid=262075&lid=4742361&acd=1230980794501410 >>>>>>>>> rob larose | engineer | rock paper scissors | 212-255-6446 | >>> www.rockpaperscissors.com >>>>>> **NOTE OUR NEW STREET ADDRESS: 245 Fifth Ave, 23rd Fl, New York, NY 10016. >>> Our billing and remittance stays the same >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to >>> mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject= >>> unsubscribe >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe >>>> To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe >> To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe >> To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe > To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe

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    StudioSysAdmins-Discuss Digest, Vol 51, Issue 15
    posted by Jeff Yana on Dec. 17, 2013, 1:05 p.m.
    HDS, EMC, Dell, SuperMicro, etc, etc,

    On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:00 AM, <studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com> <studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com> wrote:

    From: Brian Krusic <brian@krusic.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] SAN vs NAS for POST Production
    Date: December 16, 2013 at 6:29:32 PM PST


    Am I mistaken or do you also resell HDS?

    - Brian

    SoCals #1 Sandpaper Superstore. More Grit For Less Green.

    On Dec 16, 2013, at 3:31 PM, Jeff Yana wrote:

    Since we are on the subject of premium proprietary storage solutions you should also take a look at the Hitachi HNAS. While you wont be paying commodity prices for an HNAS/HUS solution, you will have a fully integrated, fully-supported solution with one throat to choke, invaluable in a one-man shop. 

    As a true unified storage architecture, the HDS HNAS offers a nice balance of performance and flexibility at a lower per GB price-point than the Isilon. You also get support for a wider array of workloads. iSCSI is supported both at the hardware array- and file-level so you can easily host your StorNext volumes right along side your (separately provisioned) CIFS/NFS volumes. Or if you prefer, you can also do Fibre Channel, all managed from a single pane of glass. You have tunable filesystem/block sizes to tweak your performance/workload requirements. As of v11.0 of the system software, HNAS offers nice robust dedupe features that dedupes at-rest data with zero performance penalty. Similar to ZFS ZIL, the HNAS has a feature called Superflush. It is designed to optimized writes (or commits) as close to full stripe as possible, and across an entire span (pool). Its not usually referred to as a write-cache but that is exactly what it is, only everything is done via memory/cache inside the Active/Active controller/s.

    Admittedly there is a bit more complexity configuring/managing with the unified storage products, and with HNAS in particular, but having support for a wider mix of workloads cancels out any objection for me. The Hitachi arrays are among the best, if not the best, in the industry, known for their reliability and performance. They are a definitely a huge improvement over the inferior LSI stuff previously bundling during the Blue Arc days. Ironically, its the same stuff NetApp is selling with their E-Series today. 

    The 4000 series just recently became available. All but one model is 100%10-Gig E, offering between 130,000 to 300,000 IOPS per 2-node cluster, and/or 700MB/sec to 2Gig/sec throughput per 2-node cluster. Also, includes many advanced enterprise features missing in other competing products, such as: auto-tiering - both internal and external (e.g. NFS or object-based) disk targets, easy integration with top branded third-party archiving solutions, synchronous replication, clustering, metro-clustering, disk spin-down, to name a few. You also get tight integration with HDSs object storage platform, HCP, for long-term storage/archiving.

    HNAS Connectivity options: iSCSI (file/block), FC, NFS, SMB (and NDMP)

    Jeff

    On Nov 28, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Saker Klippsten wrote:

    Revisiting the requirements

    - Lone-sysadmin
    - 60TB usable
    - 10 editors working with ProRes422HQ (1080p, 23.976)
    - 176Mbps per stream = 22MBps x 10 users = 220MBps total

    -You are going to use FCP via NFS 

    If you have a decent budget 
    I think you need to get an Isilon ( 3-4 node x200 and might as well put 10ig cards in there ) and call it a day. It's more than adequate for your needs. Fast deployment. Easy to expand as needed. Easiest to manage. Great CLI as well as web interface if you like that. 
    You can specify and set folders to streaming media for optimized playback 
    If you need to house media that's not just editorial you can do that too and make it accessible to others easily. 

    Alternatively san route , check out OSNexus 
    -supports ZFS,XFS,NFS,CIFS,FC,iSCSI
    Runs on supermicro gear.



    Saker Klippsten | CTO | Zoic Studios
    310-838-0770 o
    310-202-2063 d
    310-350-3854 c

    On Nov 28, 2013, at 6:51 AM, Bobby Jain <bobsf40@gmail.com> wrote:

    @Andreas,

    We have a decent budget, or what seems like it, what we do not have is time or man power.  We need an off the shelf solution and quickly.  I am the lone sys-admin, and we have multiple shows, some of which are starting to shoot very soon.  I wish I had the time to buy some spare gear, and play around with different setups and configs, and to learn on the go, but it seems like I spend most of my time just expanding, adding more employees and setting up more office space.

    I am going to reach out to Terrablock and StorNext and see what they have to offer, and we are doing a test of DDP next week.

    Is there anybody in here in Toronto that would be willing to take some time show me their setup?  Even if it isn't one of the proposed rigs.

    Thanks again folks, the response here has been tremendous.  



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    HDS, EMC, Dell, SuperMicro, etc, etc,

    On Dec 17, 2013, at 8:00 AM, <studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com> <studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com> wrote:

    From: Brian Krusic <brian@krusic.com>
    Subject: Re: [SSA-Discuss] SAN vs NAS for POST Production
    Date: December 16, 2013 at 6:29:32 PM PST


    Am I mistaken or do you also resell HDS?

    - Brian

    SoCals #1 Sandpaper Superstore. More Grit For Less Green.

    On Dec 16, 2013, at 3:31 PM, Jeff Yana wrote:

    Since we are on the subject of premium proprietary storage solutions you should also take a look at the Hitachi HNAS. While you wont be paying commodity prices for an HNAS/HUS solution, you will have a fully integrated, fully-supported solution with one throat to choke, invaluable in a one-man shop. 

    As a true unified storage architecture, the HDS HNAS offers a nice balance of performance and flexibility at a lower per GB price-point than the Isilon. You also get support for a wider array of workloads. iSCSI is supported both at the hardware array- and file-level so you can easily host your StorNext volumes right along side your (separately provisioned) CIFS/NFS volumes. Or if you prefer, you can also do Fibre Channel, all managed from a single pane of glass. You have tunable filesystem/block sizes to tweak your performance/workload requirements. As of v11.0 of the system software, HNAS offers nice robust dedupe features that dedupes at-rest data with zero performance penalty. Similar to ZFS ZIL, the HNAS has a feature called Superflush. It is designed to optimized writes (or commits) as close to full stripe as possible, and across an entire span (pool). Its not usually referred to as a write-cache but that is exactly what it is, only everything is done via memory/cache inside the Active/Active controller/s.

    Admittedly there is a bit more complexity configuring/managing with the unified storage products, and with HNAS in particular, but having support for a wider mix of workloads cancels out any objection for me. The Hitachi arrays are among the best, if not the best, in the industry, known for their reliability and performance. They are a definitely a huge improvement over the inferior LSI stuff previously bundling during the Blue Arc days. Ironically, its the same stuff NetApp is selling with their E-Series today. 

    The 4000 series just recently became available. All but one model is 100%10-Gig E, offering between 130,000 to 300,000 IOPS per 2-node cluster, and/or 700MB/sec to 2Gig/sec throughput per 2-node cluster. Also, includes many advanced enterprise features missing in other competing products, such as: auto-tiering - both internal and external (e.g. NFS or object-based) disk targets, easy integration with top branded third-party archiving solutions, synchronous replication, clustering, metro-clustering, disk spin-down, to name a few. You also get tight integration with HDSs object storage platform, HCP, for long-term storage/archiving.

    HNAS Connectivity options: iSCSI (file/block), FC, NFS, SMB (and NDMP)

    Jeff

    On Nov 28, 2013, at 9:02 AM, Saker Klippsten wrote:

    Revisiting the requirements

    - Lone-sysadmin
    - 60TB usable
    - 10 editors working with ProRes422HQ (1080p, 23.976)
    - 176Mbps per stream = 22MBps x 10 users = 220MBps total

    -You are going to use FCP via NFS 

    If you have a decent budget 
    I think you need to get an Isilon ( 3-4 node x200 and might as well put 10ig cards in there ) and call it a day. It's more than adequate for your needs. Fast deployment. Easy to expand as needed. Easiest to manage. Great CLI as well as web interface if you like that. 
    You can specify and set folders to streaming media for optimized playback 
    If you need to house media that's not just editorial you can do that too and make it accessible to others easily. 

    Alternatively san route , check out OSNexus 
    -supports ZFS,XFS,NFS,CIFS,FC,iSCSI
    Runs on supermicro gear.



    Saker Klippsten | CTO | Zoic Studios
    310-838-0770 o
    310-202-2063 d
    310-350-3854 c

    On Nov 28, 2013, at 6:51 AM, Bobby Jain <bobsf40@gmail.com> wrote:

    @Andreas,

    We have a decent budget, or what seems like it, what we do not have is time or man power.  We need an off the shelf solution and quickly.  I am the lone sys-admin, and we have multiple shows, some of which are starting to shoot very soon.  I wish I had the time to buy some spare gear, and play around with different setups and configs, and to learn on the go, but it seems like I spend most of my time just expanding, adding more employees and setting up more office space.

    I am going to reach out to Terrablock and StorNext and see what they have to offer, and we are doing a test of DDP next week.

    Is there anybody in here in Toronto that would be willing to take some time show me their setup?  Even if it isn't one of the proposed rigs.

    Thanks again folks, the response here has been tremendous.  



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    StudioSysAdmins Toronto Christmas Social w/Quantum
    posted by John Hickson on Dec. 18, 2013, 9:29 a.m.

    Sorry for the short notice, Quantum will be in town and has invited the Toronto StudioSysAdmins community for drinks. Invite open to all members.

     

    When: Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:00 PM-7:00 PM

    Where: The Irish Embassy - 49 Yonge Street (Wellington Street East), Toronto

     

    So come by if you can and have a drink with fellow StudioSysAdmin community members.

     

    -John

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    Sorry for the short notice, Quantum will be in town and has invited the Toronto StudioSysAdmins community for drinks. Invite open to all members.

     

    When: Thursday, December 19, 2013 3:00 PM-7:00 PM

    Where: The Irish Embassy - 49 Yonge Street (Wellington Street East), Toronto

     

    So come by if you can and have a drink with fellow StudioSysAdmin community members.

     

    -John


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    Has anybody used Pythian for database or sysadmin work?
    posted by Aleksey Tsalolikhin on Dec. 18, 2013, 12:15 p.m.
    Hi,

    Has anybody used Pythian for database or sysadmin work? (www.pythian.com) And if so, how was the service?

    We're considering bringing them on to help out with some sysadmin tasks.

    Thanks,
    -at

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    Hi,

    Has anybody used Pythian for database or sysadmin work? (www.pythian.com) And if so, how was the service?

    We're considering bringing them on to help out with some sysadmin tasks.

    Thanks,
    -at


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    New Mac Pro Pricing? place your bets
    posted by Jordi Bares on Dec. 18, 2013, 4:05 p.m. (1 day ago)
    Since i am optimistic by nature $5499.

    No screen, no mouse, no keyboard.

    jb

    Sent from my iPhone

    On 18 Dec 2013, at 21:50, Douglas Meyer <dougmeyer@me.com> wrote:

    Top end, no RAM, no keys, mice: $8501

    On Dec 18, 2013, at 03:48 PM, Todd Smith <todd@sohovfx.com> wrote:

    $8100.  Pretty sure I read an article like this already.

    Todd Smith
    Head of Information Technology

    soho vfx 
    99 Atlantic Ave. Suite 303, Toronto, Ontario M6K 3J8



    Apple says new Mac Pros are on sale tomorrow.  They've published base pricing for 4-core & 6-core models.

    Anyone want to go on record with your guess what the pricing will be for the fully-tricked high-end version?  (12 cores, best-available gfx card, 1tb storage)  Since RAM will mercifully be the only user-upgradeable component, leave that out of the mix...

    --Rob


    rob larose | engineer | rock paper scissors | 212-255-6446 | www.rockpaperscissors.com

    **NOTE OUR NEW STREET ADDRESS: 245 Fifth Ave, 23rd Fl, New York, NY 10016.
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    Since i am optimistic by nature $5499.

    No screen, no mouse, no keyboard.

    jb

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    On 18 Dec 2013, at 21:50, Douglas Meyer <dougmeyer@me.com> wrote:

    Top end, no RAM, no keys, mice: $8501

    On Dec 18, 2013, at 03:48 PM, Todd Smith <todd@sohovfx.com> wrote:

    $8100.  Pretty sure I read an article like this already.

    Todd Smith
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    Apple says new Mac Pros are on sale tomorrow.  They've published base pricing for 4-core & 6-core models.

    Anyone want to go on record with your guess what the pricing will be for the fully-tricked high-end version?  (12 cores, best-available gfx card, 1tb storage)  Since RAM will mercifully be the only user-upgradeable component, leave that out of the mix...

    --Rob


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    Intel 10g cards - X540T1 and X540T2
    posted by Dan Young on Dec. 18, 2013, 4:35 p.m. (1 day ago)
    Does anyone have these in place?
    Like 'em? Hate 'em?
    What cabling are you using?

    Is anyone more specifically running them in a PCI-e 2.0 slot, instead of a 2.1? What kind of throughput are you getting?

    Thanks.
    DY

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    Does anyone have these in place?
    Like 'em? Hate 'em?
    What cabling are you using?

    Is anyone more specifically running them in a PCI-e 2.0 slot, instead of a 2.1? What kind of throughput are you getting?

    Thanks.
    DY

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  • 12/18/13--18:50: Qube Windows clients GUI
  • Qube Windows clients GUI
    posted by Andrew Ho on Dec. 18, 2013, 9:50 p.m. (1 day ago)
    I would like to know do we need the administrative right to launch the Qube clients GUI. Our normal user cannot see anything from the client GUI that he launched. Thanks, Andrew To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe
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    I would like to know do we need the administrative right to launch the Qube clients GUI. Our normal user cannot see anything from the client GUI that he launched. Thanks, Andrew To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe

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  • 12/19/13--13:55: IBM buys Aspera
  • IBM buys Aspera
    posted by Jean-Francois Panisset on Dec. 19, 2013, 4:55 p.m. (3 days ago)
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/19/ibm_aspera_acquisition/

    Not sure how I feel about that, but as a general rule when useful, somewhat niche technologies that service our industry well get purchased by large conglomerates, it usually ends in tears...

    JF

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    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/19/ibm_aspera_acquisition/

    Not sure how I feel about that, but as a general rule when useful, somewhat niche technologies that service our industry well get purchased by large conglomerates, it usually ends in tears...

    JF


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    Definitive answer for accessing Isilon from Windows 8?
    posted by Jeremy Lang on Dec. 19, 2013, 9:35 p.m. (3 days ago)
    Got a shiny new laptop and decided to try out Win8 (the built in HyperV stuff sounds useful!) but am having a hell of a time getting it to access the Isilon.

    My google-fu shows there is a problem, but some/many of the answers are asinine (one was 'just disable SMB2 on the cluster...) and other cluster-wide changes that didn't sound palatable.

    One would think the answer should lie in "Local Security Policy" but changing "Send unencrypted password to third party SMB servers" and a reboot did nothing...

    Lan Manager authentication level?

    Somebody has to have dealt with this.

    The laptop isn't a domain member, btw.

    ______________
    Jeremy M. Lang
    it4vfx
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    Got a shiny new laptop and decided to try out Win8 (the built in HyperV stuff sounds useful!) but am having a hell of a time getting it to access the Isilon.

    My google-fu shows there is a problem, but some/many of the answers are asinine (one was 'just disable SMB2 on the cluster...) and other cluster-wide changes that didn't sound palatable.

    One would think the answer should lie in "Local Security Policy" but changing "Send unencrypted password to third party SMB servers" and a reboot did nothing...

    Lan Manager authentication level?

    Somebody has to have dealt with this.

    The laptop isn't a domain member, btw.

    ______________
    Jeremy M. Lang
    it4vfx

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    Definitive answer for accessing Isilon from Windows 8?
    posted by Jeremy Lang on Dec. 19, 2013, 9:55 p.m. (3 days ago)
    This, pasted into an administrative PowerShell, seems to have done the trick:
    Set-ItemProperty -Path "HKLM:\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\LanmanWorkstation\Parameters" RequireSecureNegotiate -Value 0 -Force





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    it4vfx


    On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Jeremy Lang <jeremy.lang@it4vfx.com> wrote:
    Got a shiny new laptop and decided to try out Win8 (the built in HyperV stuff sounds useful!) but am having a hell of a time getting it to access the Isilon.

    My google-fu shows there is a problem, but some/many of the answers are asinine (one was 'just disable SMB2 on the cluster...) and other cluster-wide changes that didn't sound palatable.

    One would think the answer should lie in "Local Security Policy" but changing "Send unencrypted password to third party SMB servers" and a reboot did nothing...

    Lan Manager authentication level?

    Somebody has to have dealt with this.

    The laptop isn't a domain member, btw.

    ______________
    Jeremy M. Lang
    it4vfx

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    This, pasted into an administrative PowerShell, seems to have done the trick:
    Set-ItemProperty -Path "HKLM:\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\LanmanWorkstation\Parameters" RequireSecureNegotiate -Value 0 -Force





    ______________
    Jeremy M. Lang
    it4vfx


    On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Jeremy Lang <jeremy.lang@it4vfx.com> wrote:
    Got a shiny new laptop and decided to try out Win8 (the built in HyperV stuff sounds useful!) but am having a hell of a time getting it to access the Isilon.

    My google-fu shows there is a problem, but some/many of the answers are asinine (one was 'just disable SMB2 on the cluster...) and other cluster-wide changes that didn't sound palatable.

    One would think the answer should lie in "Local Security Policy" but changing "Send unencrypted password to third party SMB servers" and a reboot did nothing...

    Lan Manager authentication level?

    Somebody has to have dealt with this.

    The laptop isn't a domain member, btw.

    ______________
    Jeremy M. Lang
    it4vfx


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    Definitive answer for accessing Isilon from Windows 8?
    posted by  on Dec. 19, 2013, 10:05 p.m. (3 days ago)
    On 12/19/13 18:34, Jeremy Lang wrote: > Got a shiny new laptop and decided to try out Win8 (the built in HyperV stuff sounds useful!) but am having a hell of a time getting it to access the Isilon. >> My google-fu shows there is a problem, but some/many of the answers are asinine (one was 'just disable SMB2 on the cluster...) and other cluster-wide changes that didn't sound palatable. >> One would think the answer should lie in "Local Security Policy" but changing "Send unencrypted password to third party SMB servers" and a reboot did nothing... I had similar trouble with win8 osx samba 2, I have this in my notes: 3) Wouldn't 'guest' authenticate properly with the mac file server (samba 2). Disabling NTLMv2 worked: both Windows 7 and Windows 8 as well: regedit, modify the following key (or create it as a DWORD if it doesn't exist): HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa\LMCompatibilityLevel ..and set the value to 1. In my case it didn't exist, so created it. Immediately UNC paths started resolving. To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe
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    On 12/19/13 18:34, Jeremy Lang wrote: > Got a shiny new laptop and decided to try out Win8 (the built in HyperV stuff sounds useful!) but am having a hell of a time getting it to access the Isilon. >> My google-fu shows there is a problem, but some/many of the answers are asinine (one was 'just disable SMB2 on the cluster...) and other cluster-wide changes that didn't sound palatable. >> One would think the answer should lie in "Local Security Policy" but changing "Send unencrypted password to third party SMB servers" and a reboot did nothing... I had similar trouble with win8 osx samba 2, I have this in my notes: 3) Wouldn't 'guest' authenticate properly with the mac file server (samba 2). Disabling NTLMv2 worked: both Windows 7 and Windows 8 as well: regedit, modify the following key (or create it as a DWORD if it doesn't exist): HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa\LMCompatibilityLevel ..and set the value to 1. In my case it didn't exist, so created it. Immediately UNC paths started resolving. To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe

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  • 12/19/13--21:25: sparse bundle and Avid
  • sparse bundle and Avid
    posted by Brian Krusic on Dec. 20, 2013, 12:25 a.m. (2 days ago)
    Hi,

    Wondering if any one has worked with Avid were it uses a sparse bundle file as its disk?

    I've implemented this as a way to force Avid to work much like our FCP/SAN and musical chairs.

    So far so very good.  testing has encountered no failures and growing the spare bundle has been seamless.

    But curious if any one has worked this way and would offer some experience?

    - Brian

    SoCals #1 Sandpaper Superstore. More Grit For Less Green.

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    Hi,

    Wondering if any one has worked with Avid were it uses a sparse bundle file as its disk?

    I've implemented this as a way to force Avid to work much like our FCP/SAN and musical chairs.

    So far so very good.  testing has encountered no failures and growing the spare bundle has been seamless.

    But curious if any one has worked this way and would offer some experience?

    - Brian

    SoCals #1 Sandpaper Superstore. More Grit For Less Green.


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  • 12/20/13--11:25: Avid patch up to 6.5.4?
  • Avid patch up to 6.5.4?
    posted by Brian Krusic on Dec. 20, 2013, 2:25 p.m. (2 days ago)
    Hi,

    We're running Avid 6.5 and must up to 6.5.4 for proper client collab.

    Now get this, Avid is saying that they cannot provide this patch update due to some Java bug, WTF...

    So can any one help a brotha out and help me get 6.5.4?

    We bought 2 lics at $1K each and are legit, no issues.

    I simply want to patch them up to 6.5.4.

    I'm miffed at the entire explanation.

    Would any one mind expanding on this travesty or am I a complete doofus here?

    - Brian

    SoCals #1 Sandpaper Superstore. More Grit For Less Green.

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    Hi,

    We're running Avid 6.5 and must up to 6.5.4 for proper client collab.

    Now get this, Avid is saying that they cannot provide this patch update due to some Java bug, WTF...

    So can any one help a brotha out and help me get 6.5.4?

    We bought 2 lics at $1K each and are legit, no issues.

    I simply want to patch them up to 6.5.4.

    I'm miffed at the entire explanation.

    Would any one mind expanding on this travesty or am I a complete doofus here?

    - Brian

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    QuickTime X being its usual unhelpful self
    posted by Jean-Francois Panisset on Dec. 22, 2013, 7:50 p.m. (3 days ago)
    Turns out that QuickTime X doesn't know how to play files with multi-channel audio, and instead just plays silence. Which of course caused minor client freakout.

    Good ole QuickTime 7 to the rescue...

    Can we just pretend that the whole "QuickTime X" thing never happened and go back to the version that was actually somewhat useful?

    JF

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    Turns out that QuickTime X doesn't know how to play files with multi-channel audio, and instead just plays silence. Which of course caused minor client freakout.

    Good ole QuickTime 7 to the rescue...

    Can we just pretend that the whole "QuickTime X" thing never happened and go back to the version that was actually somewhat useful?

    JF


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    Mac Can't Retrieve Group GID's
    posted by Tom Salciccia on Dec. 25, 2013, 3:13 p.m. (1 day ago)

    I've got a bunch of Mac OS X 10.8 and 10.9 bound to Active Directory. They authenticate just fine.

    I have not installed SFU. I do not want to use NIS. AD 2012 has the RFC 2307 attributes already in place.

    In Active Directory, I have manually entered UID's and GID's in to User objects.  The Mac clients retrieve User UID's and GID's from the user objects just fine based on the "Mappings" window in the Directory Utility. 

    The problem I'm having is that 

    I found that if I map the "Map group GID" option to the AD attribute "gidNumber", then NO group membership is retrieved from Active Directory 2102 "Member of"  tab. 
     
    If I do NOT map "Map group GID to attribute", then group membership IS retrieved from AD,  except the Primary Group  "Domain Users".
     
    But if I leave the item unmapped and the Mac's retrieve the group memberships, the Mac's do not retrieve the GID's I allocated to the Group Objects. They are apparently hashing some value and  deriving their own numeric identifier for the groups of which the user is a member.
     
    Then this value is getting stamped onto a shared file system. Because this is a Mac-generated value, this will be a problem in a multi-platform environment.
     
    Has anyone out there seen this issue? Resolved it some how? I can't seem to find any documentation on it anywhere.
     
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    I've got a bunch of Mac OS X 10.8 and 10.9 bound to Active Directory. They authenticate just fine.

    I have not installed SFU. I do not want to use NIS. AD 2012 has the RFC 2307 attributes already in place.

    In Active Directory, I have manually entered UID's and GID's in to User objects.  The Mac clients retrieve User UID's and GID's from the user objects just fine based on the "Mappings" window in the Directory Utility. 

    The problem I'm having is that 

    I found that if I map the "Map group GID" option to the AD attribute "gidNumber", then NO group membership is retrieved from Active Directory 2102 "Member of"  tab. 
     
    If I do NOT map "Map group GID to attribute", then group membership IS retrieved from AD,  except the Primary Group  "Domain Users".
     
    But if I leave the item unmapped and the Mac's retrieve the group memberships, the Mac's do not retrieve the GID's I allocated to the Group Objects. They are apparently hashing some value and  deriving their own numeric identifier for the groups of which the user is a member.
     
    Then this value is getting stamped onto a shared file system. Because this is a Mac-generated value, this will be a problem in a multi-platform environment.
     
    Has anyone out there seen this issue? Resolved it some how? I can't seem to find any documentation on it anywhere.
     

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    Mac Can't Retrieve Group GID's
    posted by Jeff Yana on Dec. 26, 2013, 5:20 p.m. (1 day ago)
    Are you using any 3rd party AD add-ons or custom GPOs? If so be sure take those out of the equation.

    You might want to start by enabling directory services debugging on the Mac client to troubleshoot your issue. Then observe what is happening when unbinding and rebinding to AD:

    To enable:
    odutil set log debug
    To diable:
    odutil set log default
    On odutil(1), you will find a more detailed explanation here: 


    Additionally, while it does not go into any great detail about your specific issue, you might find this white paper helpful:


    Along with running odutil, I would suggest doing a packet capture. I would also check AD Event Logs to see if anything interesting appears there as well. Be sure to place all of your Macs into the default Computers container using only the default domain GPO. Default event logging on the Windows side is usually anemic so you should see if you can crank up verbosity there, just cannot remember how off-hand

    Good luck!


    On Dec 26, 2013, at 8:00 AM, studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com wrote:


    I've got a bunch of Mac OS X 10.8 and 10.9 bound to Active Directory. They authenticate just fine.

    I have not installed SFU. I do not want to use NIS. AD 2012 has the RFC 2307 attributes already in place.

    In Active Directory, I have manually entered UID's and GID's in to User objects.  The Mac clients retrieve User UID's and GID's from the user objects just fine based on the "Mappings" window in the Directory Utility. 

    The problem I'm having is that 

    I found that if I map the "Map group GID" option to the AD attribute "gidNumber", then NO group membership is retrieved from Active Directory 2102 "Member of"  tab. 
     
    If I do NOT map "Map group GID to attribute", then group membership IS retrieved from AD,  except the Primary Group  "Domain Users".
     
    But if I leave the item unmapped and the Mac's retrieve the group memberships, the Mac's do not retrieve the GID's I allocated to the Group Objects. They are apparently hashing some value and  deriving their own numeric identifier for the groups of which the user is a member.
     
    Then this value is getting stamped onto a shared file system. Because this is a Mac-generated value, this will be a problem in a multi-platform environment.
     
    Has anyone out there seen this issue? Resolved it some how? I can't seem to find any documentation on it anywhere.

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    Are you using any 3rd party AD add-ons or custom GPOs? If so be sure take those out of the equation.

    You might want to start by enabling directory services debugging on the Mac client to troubleshoot your issue. Then observe what is happening when unbinding and rebinding to AD:

    To enable:
    odutil set log debug
    To diable:
    odutil set log default
    On odutil(1), you will find a more detailed explanation here: 


    Additionally, while it does not go into any great detail about your specific issue, you might find this white paper helpful:


    Along with running odutil, I would suggest doing a packet capture. I would also check AD Event Logs to see if anything interesting appears there as well. Be sure to place all of your Macs into the default Computers container using only the default domain GPO. Default event logging on the Windows side is usually anemic so you should see if you can crank up verbosity there, just cannot remember how off-hand

    Good luck!


    On Dec 26, 2013, at 8:00 AM, studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com wrote:


    I've got a bunch of Mac OS X 10.8 and 10.9 bound to Active Directory. They authenticate just fine.

    I have not installed SFU. I do not want to use NIS. AD 2012 has the RFC 2307 attributes already in place.

    In Active Directory, I have manually entered UID's and GID's in to User objects.  The Mac clients retrieve User UID's and GID's from the user objects just fine based on the "Mappings" window in the Directory Utility. 

    The problem I'm having is that 

    I found that if I map the "Map group GID" option to the AD attribute "gidNumber", then NO group membership is retrieved from Active Directory 2102 "Member of"  tab. 
     
    If I do NOT map "Map group GID to attribute", then group membership IS retrieved from AD,  except the Primary Group  "Domain Users".
     
    But if I leave the item unmapped and the Mac's retrieve the group memberships, the Mac's do not retrieve the GID's I allocated to the Group Objects. They are apparently hashing some value and  deriving their own numeric identifier for the groups of which the user is a member.
     
    Then this value is getting stamped onto a shared file system. Because this is a Mac-generated value, this will be a problem in a multi-platform environment.
     
    Has anyone out there seen this issue? Resolved it some how? I can't seem to find any documentation on it anywhere.


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  • 12/27/13--09:10: MacPro comparative
  • MacPro comparative
    posted by Jordi Bares on Dec. 27, 2013, 12:10 p.m.
    Following up the conversation about the price of a MacPro vs a DIY vs other vendor I found this Anyway dare to comment and point if this is a correct evaluation?


    With that data at hand and provided is a fair comparison I would love to know the price manufacturers would be willing to come up with.

    Thanks

    Jordi Bares

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    Following up the conversation about the price of a MacPro vs a DIY vs other vendor I found this Anyway dare to comment and point if this is a correct evaluation?


    With that data at hand and provided is a fair comparison I would love to know the price manufacturers would be willing to come up with.

    Thanks

    Jordi Bares


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  • 12/27/13--13:55: mac pro teardown!
  • mac pro teardown!
    posted by Wayne Chang on Dec. 27, 2013, 4:55 p.m. (1 day ago)
    http://blog.macsales.com/22108-new-mac-pro-2013-teardown cpu is socketed... for now. gpu looks socketed but glued with semi-permanent heatsink compound. Huzzah! To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe
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    http://blog.macsales.com/22108-new-mac-pro-2013-teardown cpu is socketed... for now. gpu looks socketed but glued with semi-permanent heatsink compound. Huzzah! To unsubscribe from the list send a blank e-mail to mailto:studiosysadmins-discuss-request@studiosysadmins.com?subject=unsubscribe

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